I know what you're thinking a hate thread on ESTJs from an NT type. Well you'd be wrong about that actually. I'd just like to talk about my own thoughts on ESTJs and give an actual honest opinion about what I think about them. The past few days I've been browsing the ESFJ board and reading some of the threads here and there seems to be some vitriol toward this type. I was reading one thread the other day where one member was claiming that there were a lot of ESFJs that went to his school that he didn't like because they just go along with the crowd and are complete followers and just agree with something so people will like them but at the same time he says ESFJs love to talk about their problems but if you give them advice that contradicts their judgements and feelings they get mad at you. Logically this makes no sense. If an ESFJ is driven to agree with everything just to have people like them then logically they should not offer up a fuss if you give them advice they don't like as they run a risk of not being liked for it. Another thing he said is that he is a jock and a lot of ESFJs at his school tried to get them to like them but he thought they were fake. Might I add this particular member was an ENTP and claims to be a logical thinker however I don't see how he was being logical. How do you know the types of the people at your school unless you tested them all? And if you don't like them I would think you'd want to stay away from them not say "Here take this test for me!" I've noticed a lot of people here do this with people's type here. If its your friend I can understand its easy to have a friend tested as its not that weird to ask them. But a co-worker, teacher, classmate, boss's wife? C'mon you're guessing you don't really know and in regards to ESFJ I think people just automatically put people they don't like into that box for whatever reason.
While I do agree with some of the complaints many people have about ESFJs like they have an external based moral compass, they can be judgmental, they can be manipulative, they can be controlling, and they talk too much I think all too often people are basing that on the description they have read about ESFJs more often than not because if you actually know an ESFJ I mean ACTUALLY know them. Yes they can be difficult to deal with sometimes and they can be frustrating and annoying but they aren't that bad like how they are presented here. I do know an ESFJ and I definitely know she is an ESFJ because I had her tested and this person is my aunt. And while I can tell you a lot of the complaints people have about her are true and they are pitfalls I can also tell you that she's generally a good person and she's not perfect but she is good and she is sweet. I have my normal family problems and disagreements with her but honestly she isn't that bad, I've met people that are a lot worse of a person than her. Anyways I think some people here take Jung and MBTI as gospel and they try to pigeonhole people with it. They see 16 personality types and thats it. But I can tell you that makes no logical sense. Even when you take one of those tests it gives you a percentage in each strength you have in each letter so it would make sense depending how strong you are in each function will determine behavior as well to some degree. Give you an example. I only know 1 ESFJ but I do know 2 ESTJs. My friend and my cousin. They are the same type but they are clearly very different. My cousin doesn't like art at all and my friend has a Bachelor's degree in Fine Arts, thats one example right there. So not every ESFJ is going to be the same just like not every INTP is interested in astrophysics, some may like pilates I don't know lol. But my point is I see a lot of pigeonholing here and I think its stupid. As my ESTJ friend said, MBTI and Jung is great for knowing about the person on a basic level and how they are likely to respond to different things, however thats about as far as it goes and if you really want to know about the person you have to do it the good old fashioned way...getting to know them.
Anyways sorry for the long post but I just thought I had to say that :/