Yeah, I've had it before. It tastes good when mixed with vodka, as well.

In all seriousness, though, I think ENFPs and ENTPs can both be impulsive. The fact that you have learned to reign that in sometimes does not necessarily make you an ENTP. It just means you've matured. The main difference between ENxPs is Ti and Fi, not the level of caution they employ.

 

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As an ENFP I do feel quite similar to ENTP's and can relate to some things said about them.

 

i can definitely relate to this - i go back and forth between a medium strong T in ENTP and the lighter side of F in ENFP. i also enjoy their multiple uses.
i also feel that, for sure, ENTPs can be just as impulsive if the mood strikes.

 

I am having the same issue. I know that I'm an ENFP, because when it comes down to it and I'm trying to figure out a resolution/decision, I'll go with my gut hunch, not necessarily the facts. But most times, I know that my "feelings" and the "facts" will produce the same results.

There are occasions when they clash. And those are the times I feel like I'm being torn apart, because I'll go with how I feel, and realize it's not rational, but I can't stop myself... if that makes any sense at all. I'm very passionate about certain topics.

My "F" and "T" are pretty much 50/50. It varies from day to day, depending on how many people have gotten on my nerves. LOL.

 

My "F" and "T" are pretty much 50/50. It varies from day to day, depending on how many people have gotten on my nerves. LOL.

I'm curious what you mean by "T" and "F", because from what I understand ENFPs thinking function is the tertiary Te (extroverted thinking), while the ENTPs thinking function is the auxiliary Ti (introverted thinking).
What I'm curious to know, is what does it mean when you're thinking or feeling is balanced, or not balanced?
From what I understand about typology, the way we orient our thinking is unique. Therefore, if trying to find out whether you're ENFP or ENTP, wouldn't it be important to note the orientation of your thinking (either Ti or Te)?
If you're Ti, wouldn't that suggest ENTP, and vice versa for ENFP if you find that you're thinking is Te?

I'm curious also, as an ENFP who wants to develop my "rational and objective thinking" (I'm in college, so I realize the pressure of this more than ever), would it be more wise to develop Te or Ti?
I'm assuming the argument to work on Te, would be that I should I play up my strengths since it's part of my primary functions. If I try to develop Ti, could that be overstressing my personality?

Am I making sense?
Anyone that has more insight on how "rational thinking" functions, please enlighten me as I'm not that familiar with the different nuances.

Thank you

 

Huh, I was just thinking about this the other day. I've often mistyped myself as an ENFP, but the description of an ENTP definitely fits me better.

With me though, I was definitely an ENTP when I was younger, but I hit a really rough patch in life and dove into the F part for a little while (not saying that there's anything wrong with ENFPs :tongue. I think I'm finally coming back to being my natural self, which fits pretty well with an ENTP.

 

Not to be rude, but this is a woefully old and outdated thread. (Note how most have since converted to ENFP, or away from ENFP.) If you want to discuss something related to it, you'd be better off starting a new one.

 

Truth. Still interesting, though.

 

The one letter difference in ENTP and ENFP is misleading. ENTP is Ne, Ti, Fe, Si whereas ENFP is NeFiTeSi

So Fe compared to Te
and Fi compared to Ti in orders.

ENTP can be very idealistic, and have a strong Fe (which may make you feel "F") but that is different from how ENFP is an F because an ENFP has Fi which is actually very lacking in an ENTP. Infact, Ti and Fi cannot coincide together that easily.

ENTP's are allowed to have emotions, don't let people fool you, and they can also be very idealistic, Ne is essentially an idealistic function.

 

People seem to think that ENTP and ENFP are almost eh same thing, but they're incorrect. We're even different temperaments, for Chrissakes. I can make myself appear very much like an ENFP, but I can never change the way I process information or the order of my functions.

It looks a lot like people who are ENFPs don't want to be ENFPs. Strange.

 

Don't take temperaments too seriously; they're a construct largely outside of the actual theory, created by David Keirsey. Most people who are more into cognitive functions discount his temperaments entirely. I know of many who favor EP/IP/EJ/IJ temperaments instead, actually, as the NT/NF/SP/SJ temperaments have no real basis.

Also, considering we have the same dominant function, and given the ENFPs I know, I'd say we're very similar. ENFPs with well-developed Te appear extremely ENTP-like.

 

This is what I meant to say:

Either way, I don't prescribe to using the cognitive function theory in the way you are looking at it.

The cognitive function theory has limitations. Last time I checked, I was sure I had some Fi to spare when choosing what my favorite color was, or Se when playing basketball. Neither of these functions are any of ENTPs main functions, nor any in the NT temperament, but yet and still there are NT basketball players and painters. Thus, we must take into account nuture as well as nature. The natural preference of any of the ENTPs is the same, but we can vary in our degrees of use, as well as deviations into our functions.

So, I am more apt to be utilitarian about the whole process of personality. You know, whatever works. If Ennegram does the job of catergorizing, then see fit to use it. From what I've seen, it seems to do the job.

 

This is what I meant to say:


The cognitive function theory has limitations. Last time I checked, I was sure I had some Fi to spare when choosing what my favorite color was, or Se when playing basketball. Neither of these functions are any of ENTPs main functions, nor any in the NT temperament, but yet and still there are NT basketball players and painters. Thus, we must take into account nuture as well as nature. The natural preference of any of the ENTPs is the same, but we can vary in our degrees of use, as well as deviations into our functions.

So, I am more apt to be utilitarian about the whole process of personality. You know, whatever works. If Ennegram does the job of catergorizing, then see fit to use it. From what I've seen, it seems to do the job.

I'd be inclined to suggest that you're mistaking yourself for using Fi ("I do my own thing, don't care about what other people think, and stick up for what I believe in, so I must be an Fi user!"), since this is extremely common, but given that I don't know you, I suppose that's not for me to say.

Have you looked into Socionics? ENTps in that system are said to use Fi. Perhaps you'd prefer it to MBTI.

By my thinking, if you're not going to go by a theory in full, why bother at all? If you don't like it, don't pretend to go by its definitions while creating your own separate meaning. In such a case, you may as well make your own theory -- and there's nothing wrong with that, so long as you actually make clear your definitions, stick to them, and don't try parading around under the name of another theory that you're only relating back to on a surface level.

I'm kind of (okay, very much) a stickler for all things being clearly defined, though.

 

@agokcen

You do realize the user started this thread in 2009, just saying.. my first time seeing it, and can relate to what he was projecting......While i'm here i will respond to your posting. I've been
mistaken as an ENTP many times in life, does this mean i'm not an ENFP , well no. It just means we have the ability to have
the best of both worlds.

 

If you actually read my posts, you'd see that:

1.) I'm not the one who brought back this thread; I pointed out right away that it's very old and probably shouldn't have been revived.

2.) I'm the one saying that ENTPs and ENFPs are very much alike and are often mistaken for one another.

Read my posts again, please -- you're repeating exactly the points I made. Unless I'm misunderstanding you somehow, in which case I apologize.

 

ENTP and ENFP's are extremely similar. They are sibling personalities. Jung referred to all ENP's as "female personalities", I'm not entirely sure what that means, but I guess it's worth noting.

 

Not for a strong Thinker ENTP. I have ENFP guy friend and "extremely similar" seems to be taken straight out of dark and stinking ass. The simple fact logic vs emotions makes hell of a difference. I used to like ENFPs but now fuck that I'm fed up. I would never ever want to anything else then party with this type. Crying, moaning, blaming others, fishing for affection, mood changes faster then my ideas comming up. Come on even when I was in my teens fighting the whole world I wasn't even close to that.

Give me a break with all this similarity listing. Maybe female ENTPs can relate to that as for me hard thinking head no way.

 

I used to test as ENFP when I took it back in middle school. I was very confused on some of the questions and wanted to think of myself as compassionate more than logical, because my mother (INFP) always prized this. But I am very logical. I love learning and exploring new information, and I love clarity and expanding my awareness. Ti is one of those functions you either have and love, or you don't have.

 

I guess we are continuing in this thread after all?

I am ENxP. I score both ways on tests. I choose the F more often because I just "behave" more like an ENFP. Probs because I'm female? Ugh seriously;;;; lol How do you guys choose which side you fall on?

Despite the "large difference" it's very very possible to have this split. It happens if one's level of Fi matches their levels of Ti, and their level of Te matches their levels of Fe. In other words, if one's Thinking and Feeling are overall well-balanced. And to anyone with this split, I think you guys would attest, it's a great thing to be balanced!

 

Despite the "large difference" it's very very possible to have this split. It happens if one's level of Fi matches their levels of Ti, and their level of Te matches their levels of Fe. In other words, if one's Thinking and Feeling are overall well-balanced. And to anyone with this split, I think you guys would attest, it's a great thing to be balanced!

i actually strongly disagree with this now. I created this thread 1&1/2 years ago when i was just getting to know mbti theory.. now i'm vastly more experienced in using it as someone who's researched and applied it for all that time i know now that you cannot really be in the middle of the two. you can be in the middle of INFP/ENFP due to environmental factors (although you are still born one or the other) but types have ordered functions for a reason, it's the natural symmetry of a human being's cognitive process, and Ti/Fe are VERY different to Fi/Te.

and whilst initially it's hard to tell which i am; i can identify i have a strong Fi, as well as Te when feeling stressed and i become all judgemental. in addition i can't possibly use Fe because it annoys the crap out of me sometimes (the greater good can suck my b*lls), and actually Ti can get on my nerves too. (i also appreciate their strengths but sometimes they just conflict with my opinions).

in addition when i talked about my "change" i was merely maturing (with some environmental factors thrown in).. i'm now much more emotionally stable (FOR an ENFP..).

 

Perhaps you should retake the cognitive functions test and reconsider which functions you use *most*, instead of trying to convince us you are somehow using 2 opposing functions simultaneously.

I am not trying to posit I am some kind of superhuman, lol. I'm pretty happy having balance is all! It's nice.

That up there is actually a question I was posing in my original comment. How do people approach this process once they catch themselves seeming to use multiple function paradigms? I have a hard time selecting which function I use most. Is there an empirical way to do this? Or lol does my reliance on sentiment versus empirical measurement in this case determine my alignment.

 

Or lol does my reliance on sentiment versus empirical measurement in this case determine my alignment.

I've actually been wanting to say that but didn't want to come off as too judgmental. It sounds to me like you're most likely an Fi user who uses your functions in varying combinations to mimic other functions. For instance, Te in combination with Fi can seem like Ti, and Ne in combination with Fi can seem like Ni. You might even test that way because you're thinking in terms of what you can do, and not what you naturally would do. It is also possible that you developed your shadow functions somewhat more than usual, but it is not possible according to the Meyers Brigg theory to interchange these functions.

I know that it sounds like a great idea in theory, and that sometimes it feels like you use other functions than your own. Before I figured out my actual type, I said similar things to try to explain my behavior. I thought that I was an INTP who had developed their Fe (inferior function) entirely at the age of 18! A bit far fetched, since my Si (tertiary function) wasn't even slightly developed. But I kept pushing and saying that, "Yeah, it's possible!" even though the actual theory suggested I was mistyping myself. When I took a step back from it all and stopped trying to make it sound like I was just some anomaly in the system, I realized that I really was just ENTP. I learned more about the myths surrounding extroversion and why it definitely describes my personality, and all of my functions made more sense together. I also learned about the nature of Ni and why it doesn't describe me like I once thought (I scored high Ni on the test because I misunderstood what it meant), and I learned about the difference between Fi and Fe-Ti combination, and why I do not in fact use Fi.

I notice that your post count is pretty low. It's likely that while you delve into the PerC community, you will also learn much more about the MBTI theory and the nature of functions, as well as the role they play in your life. Since I joined I have changed my type from ENFP to INTP to ENTP, as I continue to learn more about myself and about typology theory. It's definitely a learning experience, even to those people lucky enough to find their type first thing (and even to those of us who think we've been here long enough to have figured it out!)

 

I've actually been wanting to say that but didn't want to come off as too judgmental.

No it's ok haha. Actually isn't that an Ni sort of statement? Just by virtue of how stoked I am getting by puzzling all this out, you're reminding me a lot of my INTJ friends..... I am curious, what was your Ni misunderstanding?

In theory you can develop your shadow functions! It's just that using the "unnatural" ones supposedly burns you out after a while. I wish tests were useful in indicating my natural lean, but many of the questions are either poorly worded or too general. By raw self-assessment I'm inclined to go with Fi as well, since as I wrote before I tend to show it the most. Quite a lot of Socionics ENFp descriptive literature applies to me. But my Ti is pretty developed, so the MBTI description of the ENFP doesn't fit as well as the ENTP description. I've sort of been lurking on both PC and TC awhile, and the ENFP boards, though pretty excellent, have made me additionally doubtful. But that's not exactly sufficient grounds. People are people first. Plus, my best friend maintains I am an ENFP because of my "protective" tendencies in certain social scenarios, and because of my drive to make the any inclement environment more hospitable (flattering ikr) ' Hence, my type above the avatar.

For a while I thought I might be just a very chill INFP, and somehow a 4w3 instead of a 3w4. I consistently score lowest on Sensing, which makes sense to me, and highest on Ne, which also makes sense, and leads me to believe I am some kind of xNxP. My Ne might in fact be Creative, given how much I rely on it for conceptualization and communication! But I definitely need to be social to get energized. Introspection, much as I appreciate when it yields good stuff, expends my energy instead of restoring it. I work from home and live alone, but I am almost always either sleeping over elsewhere or inviting friends over. Otherwise I get terribly stressed-out and counterproductive, it is the pits.

 

No it's ok haha. Actually isn't that an Ni sort of statement? Just by virtue of how stoked I am getting by puzzling all this out, you're reminding me a lot of my INTJ friends..... I am curious, what was your Ni misunderstanding?

How on earth is that "an Ni sort of statement?" Not wanting to come off as judgmental is suddenly linked directly to Ni, which is introverted intuiting? If anything, not wanting to come off as judgmental is clearly a sign of developed Fe, which understands and considers the emotional impact you have on others. It could also exhibit a combination of Ti and Ne, which rationally considers the impact that saying something judgmental could have on the statistical probability of them listening to you. Yet another example of how you don't understand the difference between Ne-Ti and Ni. My only confusion with Ni has been the difference between it and Ne, before I read more on functions.

Yes, I do have some similarities with INTJs, just like I do with ENTJs and INTPs. We're all NT. There's a reason ENTPs and ENFPs are in completely different groups.

 

People with Ni can be nominal linguists. INFJs notably make super strong, observant fiction-writers. It's something about the Ni/Fe combo. I'm actually quite jealous of that thought-channel....

The reason I used the quote to answer your question was that it backed up a certain "butting of heads" situation I tend to get into with Ni-powered intellectuals, where our conversation-model is pm always as follows:

Ne: What if X?
Ni: X is not possible.
Ne: What limits its possiblity?
Ni: It simply isn't. Accept that it isn't.
Ne: How about when it's XY?
Ni: XY is a corollary of X. XY is necessarily false. Y is irrelevant.

etc etc

 

You misinterpreted everything I just said then. I told you that within Meyers Brigg Typology theory, it isn't possible. I also told you that if you have the desire to pursue this possibility, you should stop using Meyers Brigg terminology in order to do so, since what you are saying contradicts the entire theory. You are the one who have been telling me what is and is not possible. You are the one who can't seem to stop arguing a point which you could have realized was false simply by reading the dozens of older members who have contradicted this, or by reading THE ACTUAL THEORY.

I am not a hardcore follower of the MBTI system. I don't believe that it is the best or the only way to explain how our minds work. However, when using the Meyers Brigg terminology I try to remember what exactly it is I am referencing. I never directly disagreed with what you said about using multiple functions, only pointed out that it goes against the theory you are referring to.

No, there is no such thing as an ENTP/ENFP mix, because these are Meyers Brigg personality types, clearly defined already in themselves as separate entities. Maybe there are people who focus equally on logic and emotions. Maybe you can go study psychology on your own time, write your own theory, and explain it to me. So far you're just borrowing someone else's idea and trying to convince me your own interpretation is more valid. You're calling a lemon a peach dear.

 

The Ni thing was just a tangent;; It's not totally related to the original question of Ne/Fi/Te ve Ne/Ti/Fe. I thought the thread had clearly gotten knocked off topic since the last four posts or so, focusing on whether or not my Ni comment had grounds. I've gone from talking about the subject of this conversation to citing the manner of it. In my experience, an Ne-Ne exchange sounds very different from an Ne-Ni exchange. I've known a fair lot of ENTPs and ENFPs, and have been trying to illustrate why, to me, you don't quite seem like one. Granted this is coming from about 5 posts' worth of experience, and I didn't really want to go into it, people being people, but you did ask.

Going back to my original questions, you've been very helpful and informative in all of this. My strongest comment, which I've already made but which hasn't been addressed, regards the possibility of developing one's shadow-functions. So while one cannot use Ti and Te side by side, one might be able to "switch channels" if the shadow is developed to the point where it's actually yielding results. The development of shadow-functions is actually pretty important to one's self-actualization! I didn't want to discount that.

I seem to be trying your patience. I'm sorry if I seem dense or uncompromising. I'm honestly neither.

 

I know exactly what you are talking about. I think i was raised as an ENFP (enfp mom), ENTJ dad (who was away trying to get the family into the us. Then i came here and lived in a shitty town, was bullied, and became cold and closed in. Then moved to a good town (still messed up from being surrounded by assholes for while), people were nice there but I was so used to being surrounded by hostile assholes i kinda thought i had to be one and became an ENTP to be liked. Turns out now i was the asshole and noone liked that so i became depressed and just analyzed everyone arround me and learned how to feel again but also see other peoples emotions.


Just thought it was kinda cool how we took different roads to the same place lol

 

@Vladf777

hey man
i posted this thread a while ago and have come a long way since then.. i now feel as an ENFP you shouldn't deny who you were meant to be, you should be kind, caring, "one-of-the-nicest-people-they've-met", and patient- that should be our goal. i also go by feelings slightly more than logic about now. be fair, treat people with consideration, treat everyone equally.