[BusinessMan]

This may be somewhat of a long read, but I hope you read it as it basically summarizes a large portion of what I've been thinking about the last few weeks. But it's most definitely not required reading in order to answer the questions posed by the thread title.

I had two ideas for threads, but to me at least, the two are related, but it may not be the same for everybody.

Basically, the way I see it, Ne is taking in information from the world, and then connecting the dots in different ways to come to different conclusions. A conclusion that we like can turn into an idea.

It seems that we have two types of ENTPs, those who have built their life around their ideas, and those who are working typical jobs despite their ideas. Those in the latter type all seem to want to get out of their current situation and focus on their ideas. I'm the former.

So, for myself I used my Ne when starting my business, then when my business didn't make enough money, I used my Ne again to evolve the business. Now I'm using it to bring on new products to add to my business' arsenal in order to give it an edge over the competition.

I'm lucky in the sense that I had an opportunity to build something based around my vision, a vision that continues to evolve as I learn more and become wiser. The best decision I ever made was to take advantage of that opportunity. In my case, my actions and my vision are in sync, in that all of my actions are working towards achieving my vision.

I rarely write down anything about my vision due to it constantly evolving and knowing that by the time I have the means for the next step it will probably have changed quite a bit again. But I do know this. Most of us seems to think our life matters. The truth is that very few peoples' lives matter other than that another number adding to our species' success.

I also know that my life at this moment doesn't matter. This bothers me. I want to matter to the world. I want to reach a point where my being alive is a lot better for the world than my not being alive. In order to do that I must create meaning.

At this point in time my vision is to continue on in the energy efficiency industry. I want to kill the oil and gas companies by taking clean energies mainstream. It may sound egotistical to think that it should be me who does it, but I don't hear of too many other people who think their up to the task and willing to take actions towards achieving it.

My second vision is to create a private research institution to study areas which are somewhat neglected by scientists. Especially aging. I want to live longer than my generations' current lifespan of 90 years. At least 150 years, hopefully significantly more.



My third vision is to invest in other businesses who are out to make a difference in the world. I will never invest in a company who will leave the world worse off than it found it. Despite how much money it will make.

But behind all of this is my Ne. These are visions which, in my opinion, requires an ENTP to achieve. If anyone, it's an ENTP to say "it's possible" when everyone else thinks it's not.

[Boxter9]

Yeah, we're pretty freaking incredible. Over the course of the past few centuries, we have invented the light bulb (Edison) and the field of quantum mechanics (Feynman), revolutionized motion picture animation (Disney) and education (Montessori), and helped to dislodge the United States from Great Britain (Franklin), with many a helping hand from many another type, naturally.

Sometimes our visions seem absurd even to other idealists.

Ne is uniquely equipped to understanding composition in the arts; as such I've always been deeply interested in music and poetry, how it is formed, how it is perceived, how it ties into physics/anthropology/neuroscience, and perhaps most importantly, how it could be used to help eliminate unnecessary societal afflictions. I have other ideas but there isn't enough time to put them on exhibition right now :F

[BusinessMan]

Ne is uniquely equipped to understanding composition in the arts; as such I've always been deeply interested in music and poetry, how it is formed, how it is perceived, how it ties into physics/anthropology/neuroscience, and perhaps most importantly, how it could be used to help eliminate unnecessary societal afflictions. I have other ideas but there isn't enough time to put them on exhibition right now :F

I've got a deep interest in music as well, but it's never been my number one passion. It's always been more of a hobby. My passion seems to lie in creating systems for other people to use. One day when I have time and lots of focus I'd like to put in two weeks straight working on my music (EDM). The focus part is incredibly hard for me though.

[Boxter9]

I've got a deep interest in music as well, but it's never been my number one passion. It's always been more of a hobby. My passion seems to lie in creating systems for other people to use. One day when I have time and lots of focus I'd like to put in two weeks straight working on my music (EDM). The focus part is incredibly hard for me though.

It helps to start when you're six and have a mom who will kick your ass if you don't practice. :P Ironically I'm also very interested in creating systems for people, and maybe one day when I have time and lots of focus....

Alternatively, we could try a Vulcan mind meld.

[BusinessMan]

It helps to start when you're six and have a mom who will kick your ass if you don't practice. :P Ironically I'm also very interested in creating systems for people, and maybe one day when I have time and lots of focus....

Alternatively, we could try a Vulcan mind meld.

My mom was like that too, but I won that battle.

I think what it comes down to is what your greatest desire is. For me it is to be significant. I've got a grandiose sense of self that is on the border of narcissism. I think I'm destined for achieving greatness, and I'll be disappointed if I don't get there.

[Captain]

So what was it like when you guys discovered your passion or "idea"? Was it an "aha" moment? Did it evolve from a natural progression of thoughts over time or did it smack you in the head out of the blue?

I'm trying to figure out if I have a vision. There are things that I like, or feel strongly about, or enjoy doing, but I don't know if any of them is my "calling". I have these grand ideas about things, but they're always random and don't pertain to anything I'm particularly passionate about.

I guess if I'm passionate about anything, it's about raising my children. I love using my Ne to relate to them and teach them new ways of looking at things. I have a job that I love that provides me with freedom and lots of cash, so I don't focus on that in any particular ENTP way, nor do I feel the need to. I'm pretty cynical about there ever being any kind of social justice in this world, so I pretty much ignore that too. Should I be looking for some Devine destiny to set my Ne upon, or should I wait for it to find me? Or maybe I should just accept that greatness can be measured by many different rules, and that the passion I have for teaching my children is the path set for me? Maybe I'm just an idiot with nothing to offer, but I have this voice inside me that tells me different.

So was it easy for you to find your path? Did you know right away when you'd found it?

[the3rdpower]

As I mature my Ne refines into a finite point of conclusion which draws in all reasoning possibilities. I can conclude almost every outcome when I close down the J completely and focus on the possibilities. It can be a debilitating state of consciousness - infinitely open to great connections yet infinitely lonely - I literally cannot share these visions either a.) out of pure paranoia of the control of the vision or b.) the absolute brutual self rationalized and realized truth. Simply put the collective vision of Oneness is powerful shit that can shatter reality into a billion pieces of insane possibilities.

With all this stated P and Ne with passion is a beautiful thing... Sometimes you have to shut the world off completely to get to this place and when you are there the false walls of reality flake away and spirtual realization and truth off all drives an insane amount of unversality of the all One.

I use to believe this was enough... it is not enough to see with P inspired Ne. One needs the J inspired Ne to execute with a lethal injection of passion move mountains.

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[emptyX]

It's simple, I'm going to understand everything.

Ne helps with this by connecting dots between pieces of information, creating a cognitive map of the world from knowledge gleaned through studying (both formally - as in education, and informally - such as watching people, the world, and films). It would take too long to memorise everything in the world, so instead I will model it (but accurately and finely-tuned).