[DarkSideOfLight]

Why does it upset you when an ENTP doesn't text/message you back? Is it because you are insecure and are worried that the reason he's not texting/messaging back is that he doesn't approve of what you said?

Nice question with a suggested answer. And there is a reward that makes it easier to comply with the replying in the future - lovely passive aggressive reaction. Ni makes it deadly effective if not aware.

Does it have something to do with the fact that you may have had hard feelings towards an ENTP because the chemistry was there, but the situation didn't play itself out so you got defiant towards the "ENTP/INFJ Ideal" stereotype?

It is not ideal. It is perfectly fucked-up so the ENTP will not get bored so easily. I love confrontation and being so passive (INFJ) is hmm so different.

I guess my point here is that we put so much emphasis on personality types, but if that person isn't ok with themselves, (I know that sounds cliche) or is bringing baggage into the situation, then the whole "Ideal match" wouldn't make a difference and would only leave you pushing blame towards those predicting the ideal match.

There is no such thing as "ideal whatever". And yes I do agree it is easier to blame something that has been sold as an ideal then look at your own problems. For me well rounded INFx is interesting enough, but well never ideal. I got over this sickness called perfection and I'm definitely happier now.

Personally, I have crazy chemistry with INFJ's, but they take an ENTP who is patient towards the INFJ's feelings and emotions, and respectful and appreciative of the added order the INFJ brings to the ENTP's world. That's certainly not something you're born with...it's something you develop.

Let's talk about both sides in my mind it takes Fe and Ti to really enjoy this match.

Likewise, it takes a self confident INFJ to realize that the lack of a reply message/text or seeming indifference was no reflection on them, as well as the understanding and patience towards the ENTP's wild heart and carefully guarded sensitive side.

Yeah I think they may even know this but in real world ;) Sensitive side hmm, well does something like that exist? Too much meditation and I probably lost it... oh well...

I was fortunate to be the only "Ti" in a family full of feelers, so I know how to react to emotions and have learned to restrain my confrontational side. My family has also learned to appreciate my bluntness.

restrained bluntness Lucky you or them. I'm not sure. Restraining what I love just made me depressed. Hope you were not as much in love with confrontation as I'm. The small thing that changed is - nowadays I know with whom I can give it a real shot. Most people are just not worth it.

In the perfectionist world of the INFJ, sometimes it's difficult to see someone who stretches you to truly be what's best, but from my experience, I have no reason to doubt the "ideal pairing" logic thus far.

Love this one have to get in touch with my INTP friend to discuss that ;)

[DarkSideOfLight]

LOL. That was deep, and I had to think for a couple of minutes of what I wanted to say. First isn't it normal to feel upset when someone doesn't respond. It's not that I'm completely insecure or think that they don't care about what I say, but I feel slighted. I feel slighted because I was willing to put in the energy in communicating with them and they didn't do the same in return. It's a polite thing to do--to respond to someone. I mean, I'm not going to say that I never feel insecure, and maybe subconsciously that has something to do with it. But, so many people feel the same way as I do. They hate when people don't write back especially when they expect an answer. In your head, you are expecting some kind of an answer that you may or not get. It messes with your expectations, if that makes sense. I'm not going to yell at someone if they don't respond. LOL. I won't judge someone because of it, but I feel like if I'm going to be in a relationship with someone, they better respond :)

If you expect to have full attention of an ENTP then good luck. If you want ENTP to respond as expected then again you are right (well probably in different dimension). I know the cute way of punishment haha.

My T is developed more than some would think. I'm not trying to live in a perfectionist fantasy world. I know that I'm a realist. I expect reality, and I know that no one is perfect. As I said before, I love ENTPs! I'm not trying to say that I would never be into one.

Poor ENTPs :) to know the way and to fallow the way it's actually something so much different.

LOL. it seems like you put a lot of thought into this. I've had feelings for an ENTP as you know from my last thread :) Not anything severe, but it didn't play out the way I thought and that was because of me. I decided not to go through with things or go any further with it because I changed my mind about him. I definitely could have made more attempts. To be honest, I don't even know why I wanted to talk to him again. I was having one of those crazy impulsive days and then I impulsively made a thread and impulsively responded to things on the thread. :) I don't think that itself made me want to reject the ENTP/INFJ "stereotype". But would it be wrong if that had anything to do with it? Our experiences shape our opinions and after all this is my opinion ;) Others, by all means, are free to differ. I advise it.
haha, are you calling me unconfident and insecure? lol Just kidding! I do try to be understanding of other people. I'm not perfect either, and I know that I can help to develop my personality. It's a goal of mine actually. Thank you for the advice. I appreciate it :)
I'm the opposite. All T types in my family. I'm the only F type, but it has helped me A LOT!!!!!
I wish you best with any INFJ you meet.

I wish I could find a really impulsive INFJ in the real world. Texting not included ;) Nice mix of silence and crazy ideas once in a while ;) And being straight forward sometimes. Fuck I said I wasn't a perfectionist.

[Trainwreck]

I've never met a female NTJ, but if they're even remotely like male NTJs, it's safe to say that's who I'd want to spend the rest of my life with: NTJ, not NFJ. I like the NTJs cold steel durability - NFJs are tough too, all types have their tough people, but I just get the impression NFJs get too hung up on the past and in order to let go requires lots of discourse. With an NTJ it's just "let's move on and accomplish the next thing" - I love that: no dwelling, and no needing to talk about our feelings, it's just "that was an unfortunate bump in the road; let's move on." That's what my experience with male NTJs has been like, and if the women are remotely like that... that would be so awesome.

I kind've get the impression that INFJs may be more attracted to us than we are to them? I dunno, it seems like there are a lot of INFJ/ENTP romance threads in here. Granted I don't go to the INFJ board often; none the less, I get the impression that there probably aren't a lot of ENTPs posting in there about romance, but maybe that's just my latent hubris manifesting.

Regardless, some people take typology wayyyyyyyyy too far. If you want someone, you want them; it really is that simple.

I'll pursue anyone, regardless of type, if I have good chemistry with them.

[MNiS]

We have the same dynamic with intj's. In socionics it says they are relations of supervision. It's better to see each other in this light and get all the advice you need than to get involved in a romantic situation. The supervisee ends up feeling like they can't live up to the expectations of the other.

It's not that cut and dry really. Yeah, INFJ are supposed to be the ENTP "supervisor" but it's not in the work sense of supervision. It's more like an INFJ knows where an ENTPs natural psychological weak spots are and usually needs to help them in that regard, hence the term supervision. And FTR I know a few INFJ both in person and online and I seem to get along with them well enough.

So with that said you really shouldn't exclude yourself from dating someone just because some personality theory says so because:

1) You may have mistyped yourself or the other person.
2) You may be missing some pretty fun experiences by not dating anyone but your "ideal" partner
3) And of course there's that saying, "better to have loved and lost...".

[danlikesgirls]

I was really into this ENFP girl...DOnt think I've ever met a INFJ

[Berdudget]

I know several ENTPs who communicate beautifully. I know several INFJs who leave me hanging regularly. Heck! When I'm overwhelmed, I don't even check my messages. In the past when dealing with bouts of depression, I've deleted messages without listening to them because it was just too much. I'm not there now, but my point is I think the example you're giving of "ignoring messages" is perhaps based on an individual or individuals who weren't necessarily on the same page with you with respect to the definition of your relationship. Us INFJs are notorious for creating expectations that other people can't live up to...and not due to any fault of their own but simply because other people are hardwired differently - and at times going through crap we may simply be unaware of. I agree with some other posters (if there was more than one lol), if you don't find what ENTPs have to offer inspires you, that's cool. Yes it's theorized INFJ/ENTP is, generally speaking, a "good match," but that theory (and I don't believe any resource that speaks of it claims it's anything more than a theory) IS based solely on MBTI types. And, as has also been said, there are many other facets to human existence. I'm with @Trainwreck, though. In my experience, INFJs who are into ENTPs want more than they're wantED.

[Abstract20]

"every once in awhile it's great to see the world for what it is, rather than what it could be."


That single phrase sums up why I use marijuana on a daily basis. I hold a salary job and attend classes at the local college. Seeing the world in a completely different perspective is a time i relish. I use it to understand people. Perspective is my goal, understanding is the product. Excellent learning tool.

Also, I love to "wake n bake" and go running. I've had the best days of my life start with a great morning.


I also get the munchies, I have been known to grille up some BBQ chicken at 3am.

[Istbkleta]

Actually INTJ is our natural partner. According to socionics ISFJ.

INFJs are just very active at promoting themselves.

Possibly we and the ENTJs are the best possible matches for any Introvert because we help them get in touch with the world, enrich their lives and offer a level of devotion and sacrifice for the other an ExFx is incapable of.

[Jerick]

I read a book about type relationships and data shows that one of the best relationships are between two INFJs.

What book is that?

I've seen statistics that show SJ-SJ as being the most likely match for happy relationships, with NF-NF coming in second.

The only stats I've seen for INTPs is that male INTPs supposedly receive the lowest partner satisfaction. That's kinda useless though.

[Berdudget]

What book is that?

I've seen statistics that show SJ-SJ as being the most likely match for happy relationships, with NF-NF coming in second.

These are the only statistics I've seen as well.

The only stats I've seen for INTPs is that male INTPs supposedly receive the lowest partner satisfaction. That's kinda useless though.

That SUCKS if that's true. Makes me sad. INTPs are my favorite type. lol. I probably shouldn't have favorites.