[YourMom]

This doesn't have too much to do with being ENTP, but ut has more to do with it than burquas, so what the hell.

I read this post by simulatedworld and the main thing that it argues is that our functions is not a set of 8 tools that we use, but instead it is our values and motives for carrying out our actions. So to my understanding, an Fi and Ne dominant may both offer to go grab coffees for everyone, but they'll do it for different reasons. The Fi dominant will probably do it because he cares about the people and wants to make them happy, while the Ne dominant does it because he figures people are gonna bitch if he only grabs some for himself.

That article made a lot of sense. But I still have a few unanswered questions about the Jungian functions. I'm just going to list them.

1) Why do all extroverts have an extroverted dominant function? All an extroverted function means that your dominant function is focused outside of yourself. It does not, however, guarantee that you gain your energy from being around other people.

2) In the article he speaks of introverted/extroverted judgement/perception. Why is it that the T/F functions are considered Judging functions while the S/N functions are considered Perceiving functions? I have a general idea, but I still want to know a bit more about this.

[CJ99]

Its widely know that not all extraverts get energy from people! as My Mum would know IMPOSTER!!!!

[ENTPreneur]

I also read that post, but I also felt that he was talking about IMMATURE or unbalanced profiles; that is, those with undeveloped functions. Those having Problems, so to say.

If you start blending ENTP with ENFJ and such because of those functions, then we almost can put this MBTI-forum to rest.

I have written that we have the functions of other types in varying degree, all of us, but if we are to be "typed", then we have to do the approximation. But sure it is interesting. Unfortunately I cannot answer your questions though....

[SlowPoke68]

This doesn't have too much to do with being ENTP, but ut has more to do with it than burquas, so what the hell.

Teeheehee

[Jerick]

Your mom is so fat that she doesn't even consider Jolly Ranchers to be human food.

[Ray Mabry]

1) Probably because alot of people are extroverted in order to feed their strongest function. The outside world stimulates the extroverted dominant function. It's not always the case though but it's more likely. I mean i'm not gonna truly stimulate my Ne by sitting in my room staring at the walls.

2) T and F are judging functions basically because they help you process and organize and filter incoming information. S and N are perceptive functions because they have to do with how you gather all of that information. When you think about it it makes perfect sense. You can gather information with your 5 senses and then filter it and make sense of it through thinking.

[Jonny0207]

Ohhhh.... so I get it now...


Ne is our mindset we prefer to WEAR in order to gather information from the outside world

Ti is the way, or mindset, that we prefer to wear use while thinking over things with ourselves

Fe... help with that one?

Si is the mindset we set we prefer WEAR gather information from out pre-conscousness (sorry for mistyping... always forget that one).

Now, shadow functions

Ni, it contradicts Si because the two mindsets are used for the same circumstances, gathering information from our pre-consciouss and we naturally prefer to use Si over Ni, so Ni remains as a second priority? Because it contradicts with our inferior, the lesser main 4 function, it's listed as the least disliked/uncomfortable shadow function because we are least comfortable with Si.

Te, which contradicts Fe, pretty much like Ni vs. Si, is number 2 because Fe is better prefered than Si, but less than Ti and Ne?

Fi, exactly like the 2 above.

Se, like the 3 shadow functions above.


That's just how I perceived what was written. What do you say?

[Ray Mabry]

Ohhhh.... so I get it now...


Ne is our mindset we prefer to WEAR in order to gather information from the outside world

Ti is the way, or mindset, that we prefer to wear use while thinking over things with ourselves

Fe... help with that one?

Si is the mindset we set we prefer WEAR gather information from out pre-conscousness (sorry for mistyping... always forget that one).

Now, shadow functions

Ni, it contradicts Si because the two mindsets are used for the same circumstances, gathering information from our pre-consciouss and we naturally prefer to use Si over Ni, so Ni remains as a second priority? Because it contradicts with our inferior, the lesser main 4 function, it's listed as the least disliked/uncomfortable shadow function because we are least comfortable with Si.

Te, which contradicts Fe, pretty much like Ni vs. Si, is number 2 because Fe is better prefered than Si, but less than Ti and Ne?

Fi, exactly like the 2 above.

Se, like the 3 shadow functions above.


That's just how I perceived what was written. What do you say?

I don't know what you mean by "prefer to wear" cause i've kind of come to understand it differently but I think your on the right track. I'm not 100 percent sure about contradictions cause I haven't come to understand it in the way you have so I kind of can't really say. I see them as very separate things that work together if that makes any sense.

Fe is how we basically focus our feelings. Our feelings are extroverted so we basically care about things in the outside world. Ever focus on someone elses needs so much that you forget yours and get pissed at them when you realize this? That's Fe at work and underdeveloped Fe at that I guess I might say sense we all have it.
I think of Si as a way we interpret all of our sensory data. For example I might see an item and I might start to think about how I felt about it in the past in sort of a nostalgic way. If I had Se I might value the object differently and might not really care so much about how the object related to the past.
The shadow functions are kind of there but more in a sub-conscious way. Just as we have crappy control over Fe and Si we have drastically less control over the shadow functions. The lower the function is on the list the more processing power it takes to control it.

[Jonny0207]

I don't know what you mean by "prefer to wear" cause i've kind of come to understand it differently but I think your on the right track. I'm not 100 percent sure about contradictions cause I haven't come to understand it in the way you have so I kind of can't really say. I see them as very separate things that work together if that makes any sense.

That's the whole point of these 2 threads. A Jungian cognitive function is not a skill, but a mindset. In other words, every one of the cognitive functions is basically a different point of view, rather than an actual skill. For instance, Se is just a mindset, or a lens some prefer to wear, which focuses on the present enviroment, like Ne, but in a more S-ish way than N. It's not that Se doms are (necessarily) more aware of their surroundings and spot details better, it's just that they emphasize it more.

Fe is how we basically focus our feelings. Our feelings are extroverted so we basically care about things in the outside world. Ever focus on someone elses needs so much that you forget yours and get pissed at them when you realize this? That's Fe at work and underdeveloped Fe at that I guess I might say sense we all have it.
I think of Si as a way we interpret all of our sensory data. For example I might see an item and I might start to think about how I felt about it in the past in sort of a nostalgic way. If I had Se I might value the object differently and might not really care so much about how the object related to the past.
The shadow functions are kind of there but more in a sub-conscious way. Just as we have crappy control over Fe and Si we have drastically less control over the shadow functions. The lower the function is on the list the more processing power it takes to control it.

Yeah, I know that, but what I mean is how it fits... like, how we like our surroundings shaped?

[Jonny0207]

Moreover, what I mean is that both Ne and Se are 2 different attitudes that are used in the same cirumstances. In other words, two different ways to treat the same circumstances. Same with Si and Ni, Fe and Te, and Fi and Ti.