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This is a discussion on ENTP career advice for those not inclined towards math/science? within the ENTP Forum- The Visionaries forums, part of the NT's Temperament Forum- The Intellects category; I am a grade 11 student ENTP who is trying to find out what to do with my life! My ...

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    ENTP career advice for those not inclined towards math/science?

    I am a grade 11 student ENTP who is trying to find out what to do with my life! My family are all hardcore math people, and they have been continuously pushing me in that direction. However, all my natural talents and things that I like are more on the artistic side. I do theater, singing and dance. I know that I respect math/science a lot, and I'm not bad at them, but I can't seem to pinpoint anything in math or science that I am absolutely passionate about. The only thing that seems alright at the moment is programming which I did last semester, but I don't just want to sit at a desk the entire day as a job. Every time I find a career that seems amazing, it turns out there are big flaws in each career. Either its uninteresting or brutally hard to do (ex. engineering, possibly programming), doesn't pay well (actor, dancer, musician), or there isn't a demand for it (teacher, professor). I keep getting the same two pieces of advice that don't really help me: 1) Follow your passion (I don't have one that I know of yet, and once again there's usually little money involved) or 2) Just find a career that will sustain your future family.(that i may not like). I'm sure someone here has had a similar problem and fixed it after finishing high school. Any advice?



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    Ok well, there is one job that involves all the things you like, well 2 actually.
    1) Become an Entrepreneur
    2) Become a Spy.

    Both will sustain your future, both interesting, both involve science-math stuff, both involve acting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tzara View Post
    Ok well, there is one job that involves all the things you like, well 2 actually.
    1) Become an Entrepreneur
    2) Become a Spy.

    Both will sustain your future, both interesting, both involve science-math stuff, both involve acting.
    I've definitely considered that path before. In order to make a business, I need to gain knowledge about what it is I'm making /selling. So what should i learn prior to making a company? For example, what should I study at university?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Notoriously_Good View Post
    In order to make a business, I need to gain knowledge about what it is I'm making /selling. So what should i learn prior to making a company? For example, what should I study at university?
    Depends on what you want to push onward with. If you havent got an idea yet, Business Administration/Management. But if you like a specific topic (like what I do right now). Go learn that, and then after you graduate, do an MBA. That will get you much further than most people do.

    Notes: Im in EEE(Electrical and Electronics Engineering) right now, and I wouldnt recommend it unless you are actually interested. You can go on with CS(Computer Science) or CE(Computer Engineering) for coding/programming, but as you mentioned, its much more of a desk job.
    If you are just interested in engineering in general but nothing specific, go with IE(Industrial Engineering).

    Then again, in science, there is Genetics, which is highly suitable if you are willing to invent something and sell the idea (not the product).

    Then there is pharmaceutics. Huge market, extremely hard competition.

    Almost every licence program has possible entrepreneurial roads to lead you to.
    Except for Physics and Math. With those degrees, you can either buy a taxi, or become a teacher/scientist. I'm just joking, you cannot buy a taxi they are pretty expensive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tzara View Post
    Depends on what you want to push onward with. If you havent got an idea yet, Business Administration/Management. But if you like a specific topic (like what I do right now). Go learn that, and then after you graduate, do an MBA. That will get you much further than most people do.

    Notes: Im in EEE(Electrical and Electronics Engineering) right now, and I wouldnt recommend it unless you are actually interested. You can go on with CS(Computer Science) or CE(Computer Engineering) for coding/programming, but as you mentioned, its much more of a desk job.
    If you are just interested in engineering in general but nothing specific, go with IE(Industrial Engineering).

    Then again, in science, there is Genetics, which is highly suitable if you are willing to invent something and sell the idea (not the product).

    Then there is pharmaceutics. Huge market, extremely hard competition.

    Almost every licence program has possible entrepreneurial roads to lead you to.
    Except for Physics and Math. With those degrees, you can either buy a taxi, or become a teacher/scientist. I'm just joking, you cannot buy a taxi they are pretty expensive.
    Is Engineering really as hard as people say it is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Notoriously_Good View Post
    Is Engineering really as hard as people say it is?
    No. its relatively hard'er'.
    and,
    its boring if you dont like what they are teaching.

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    It also depends on the type of engineering. Yeah, I'd say it was harder or at least as hard...but if you do your stuff you will be fine. I found it fun. At the end of the day though, all jobs suck, money sucks, yada yada yada. I think that most people who make their career their focus end up disappointed and/or depressed later in life. Conversely, if you are dead broke you dont tend to be so happy either. Unless you are selling coconuts on a beach in Thailand....lets do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turophile View Post
    It also depends on the type of engineering. Yeah, I'd say it was harder or at least as hard...but if you do your stuff you will be fine. I found it fun. At the end of the day though, all jobs suck, money sucks, yada yada yada. I think that most people who make their career their focus end up disappointed and/or depressed later in life. Conversely, if you are dead broke you dont tend to be so happy either. Unless you are selling coconuts on a beach in Thailand....lets do it.
    I'm fine with my career being mediocre, and then just having hobbies on the side. That seems to be the most realistic option. I just don't want to be stuck in a career that I will hate after a while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Notoriously_Good View Post
    I'm fine with my career being mediocre, and then just having hobbies on the side. That seems to be the most realistic option. I just don't want to be stuck in a career that I will hate after a while.

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    Yeah, I hear ya bud. Pick something that has you doing many things that are challenging. Also, remember that your "career" isnt static. You will do many things throughout your life. Doing something you dont hate is important, also the people that you work with dictate that to a large degree.

    Unfortunately, none of us can tell you exactly what you should do. I would recommend finding people in your area who do the things you have been considering (maybe even go into businesses). Talk to them and ask about what they do, see if you like it, see if they will let you be a fly on the wall.

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    Interaction Designer (examples)
    UX Designer (see details below)
    Usability Engineer
    Information Architect
    User Research

    You can get an undergrad in anything and go into one of these fields. A lot of designers get music or English majors. It helps if you go to grad school for psychology but it's not necessary.

    "Systems analyst" is kind of the word n00b companies use for "interaction designer." It was rated the number 1 'Best Job' by CNN last year.

    Edit: Or you could do what my startup accelerator coach does and SEO affiliate links. In the interest of full disclosure, I'm trying it out myself for the first time with this post lol. I read dozens if not a few hundred books and sum it up in a few sentences of advice... and drive traffic to amazon based on my book recommendations. So here's to me making a few cents off a referral link maybe. Just wanted to give full disclosure for ethical reasons.

    As long as I'm investing in this recommendation list, I'll give a quick introduction. I started Computer Science then decided I wanted to be a part of deciding what gets made and less about following through, sitting in front of a screen all day, and building it... I wanted to lead or at least feel important. I found out designers are the ones who actually make all these decisions along with marketing. Anyway, I taught myself much more on my own than in college. According to credible people, my startup's worth 500 to 750k at the moment... so I'm more successful now than if I went the traditional programmer route. But I have to mention that starting your own company is EXTREMELY risky. There's a 3 to 5% chance I'll actually come out of this ahead.

    But yeah, right now we're trying to sell about 10% of the company to investors so I can pay myself minimum wage, focus on this full time, and pay everyone else a decent salary. It's a lot of effort and risky, but I'm no longer a member of the proletariat and there's high prestige. Plus I spend all my time in a "flow" state which positive psychologists would define as happiness... in a job sense. Enough about me, here's how to get started as a UX Designer/Interaction Designer. You can work for a big company and make more money than your math/science/computer graduates, use creativity/empathy, make the world a better place, etc. etc... The field is still very new but Human Computer Interaction has been around since the 80s.

    Starting Point
    To get started in the UX field, The Design of Everyday Things is seminal work. This guy basically coined the term usability.

    While you're at it, if you have 3 or 4 hours, read Don't Make me Think! by Steven Krug. It's really entertaining, will probably change your life, and is like super short.

    And finally, to get a really good idea of what design actually is, Sketching User Experiences will give you concrete examples of what you're doing here. Interesting fact, the author was a music major in college and is the head design manager at Microsoft. He's traveled all over the world and worked with some of the most creative minds, such as hollywood movie directors, to give them creative advice. He also bikes a lot, which I like.
    (Make sure you get the book and not the handbook)

    Going further
    If you're really hardcore, read The Inmates are Running the Asylum. Everyone needs to read this book and the Design of Everyday Things (listed above).
    Last edited by UXDork; 04-19-2014 at 09:46 PM.
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