[Julian Bocking]

Hi I know this isn't a relationship advice sight but just wondering do any other ENTP gents have difficulty around females? and if so any advice? just I seem to be permanently Friend zoned with every chick I know (although I'm on friendly terms with all of them). Is this a personality thing?




Also can someone help me Prove this mathematically?
cos(4*T) = 1 - 8cos^2(T) +8cos^4(T)
T=Theta

[Joey Couturier]

I think this is because we're are afraid of engagement, thats why we dont want to pick up a GF, after a while they probably notice we're not interested in being a couple, and then put us in the said "friendzone".

But if you are skill'd enough, you can try to talk to them into being friendW/benefit-zone , thats what I did at college, I had a few of em, and it was amazing.

[Mutant Messiah]

Nice topic. :)

Actually, a lot of ENTPs could actually be ending up in this zone more than they're willing to admit. It's just that it's a blow to their ego that's often displayed on MBTI message boards, so it's a topic that is normally avoided.

The good thing -- ENTPs have more charm that ENTJs, INTJs, and INTPs combined.
The bad thing -- that statement alone doesn't say much. :P

The key here is staying authentically as an ENTP, keeping things real, where your personality optimized, without trying to pretend like you're some ANY other type.

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Some fundamental problems ENTPs need to face:

1. ENTPs standards for women are too high - we want them pretty, and smart -- two descriptive words that will already restrict your options. Seriously, there are not enough ENFJs, INFPs, ENFPs, and INFJs in the world for you to "practice" with.

2. Second mistake -- the moment ENTPs tend to find that NF mega chick, they want to "keep" them. Not "keep" in the sense of a serious relationship, but more like vague friendships with innuendos/flirtations. We always want to have the pleasure of knowing that we can get them, but...we don't push the extra mile, and we're always wary of our emotional vulnerability.

3. This is where ESTPs (the bad boy archetype) are doing things so well -- they behave like an emotional wreck, and they're not afraid to show it. ENTPs think differently. ENTP would think that being ENTP is already weird enough, so to some extent, we do thing s that make our actions more streamlined (ENTPs are in my opinion, the most politically-correct NT, with a tertiary Fe). There is a restraint to show emotions or extreme sense of recklessness, hence we don't maximize opportunities.

4. I always thought that ENTPs are like half-baked ENFJs in terms of charisma. It's like we're a more individualistic ENFJ but a more politically correct INTP. If you lean towards the more analytical trolling INTP that needs to have a social life outside MBTI boards, then you're quite hopeless. If you're leaning towards that ENFJ type (where your obnoxious geeky tendencies are not over the top), then you have really good chances.

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I've landed up in the friend zone in quite a number of instances in my life already, and what I do is to make sure that I flirt to a certain extent just to make sure that things are still vague, and I don't get permanently trapped to that zone.

Making things vague -- ENFJ mastery. Something really really helpful that my ENFJ friend helped me with. :P

And another thing -- "listening" to a woman. Simple virtue, but NTs failed miserably in this because of how they value their needless opinions. No matter how much magazines tell you that women are the same, it pays to listen. Because women will tell you things about themselves consciously/subconsciously for you to work with. It pays to know your "target."

And seriously, we're generally "nice" guys. We're easy to confide to. :P

[bigtex1989]

So I came for the thread title, found this topic over talked about and boring, but stayed for the trivial proof.

1-8cos^2(T) + 8cos^4(T) = 1 - 8cos^2(T)[1-cos^2(T)] <- factor out common term.
1 - 8cos^2(T)[1-cos^2(T)] = 1 - 8cos^2(T)sin^2(T) <- apply sin^2(T) + cos^2(T) = 1
1 - 8cos^2(T)sin^2(T) = 1 - 2[4cos^2(T)sin^2(T)] <- separate terms for next step
1 - 2[4cos^2(T)sin^2(T)] = 1 - 2{[2cos(T)sin(T)]*[2cos(T)sin(T)]} <- separate terms for next step
1 - 2{[2cos(T)sin(T)]*[2cos(T)sin(T)]} = 1 - 2[sin(2T)*sin(2T)] <- apply sin(2T) = 2cos(T)sin(T)
1 - 2[sin(2T)*sin(2T)] = 1 - 2sin^2(2T) <- combine terms for next step
1 - 2sin^2(2T) = cos(4T) <- apply cos(2T) = 1 - 2sin^2(T)




For the sake of answering your question, be yourself, but the best version of yourself. Work on correct body language, and talk about interesting things. If you are psyched about the conversation, she probably will be too. Energy is infectious. Have fun. It isn't called "playing the game" for nothing. If you aren't having fun flirting, leave. If you are, then at least you're having fun so if you get rejected, it is no big deal.

Regardless of personality type, everyone gets rejected sometimes, everyone succeeds sometimes.

[Mutant Messiah]

Please don't derail this to the more boring topic. :P

It's all about the talk about chicks. LOL!

[INTJellectual]

*Warning. I'm being brutally honest here*

Reasons why ENTP gets friendzoned:

1. With unrealistically high expectations
2. Sexually harassing
3. Not serious - You don't know where you stand if you got close with this type. You don't know if you're a friend, or a fwb, or a real love of ENTP.
4. Flirtatious - See above.
5. "Now you see him, now you don't"
6. Can be too overwhelmed with emotions of the feelerish types
7. User - he won't choose you as a friend or lover if he doesn't get anything from you in return
8. Self-centered - not too giving with time, money, or attention
9. Commitment issues
10. Unreliable

Usually ENTP has the awesome capacity to get the girl they want with ease but to keep them is another thing. It's better for an ENTP to stay single than to have a relationship he knows he can't handle. Unless of course you're a matured ENTP.

[Signify]

Nice topic. :)

The key here is staying authentically as an ENTP, keeping things real, where your personality optimized, without trying to pretend like you're some ANY other type.

Here is where I fail. I can't quite pull out 'me', so I try to use other qualities I have read, heard, or just thought 'work' to see what kind of reaction I would get. I guess in this respect, I seem a bit unstable in her eyes. I legitimately am trying to land a relationship....because I want the experience...but my expectations on looks....oh my God.


My issues:
1) Initiate contact and get in touch with girl [Check]
2) Establish interaction (first date) [Check]
3) Begin thinking she doesn't look good enough and that I would be harassed for not being able to get better [Check]
4) Begin questioning if I could do better [Check]
5) Honestly trying not to, but communication between me and girl begins to fade [Check]

And cycle continues...I need to break it if I am to have hope.

[bigtex1989]

*Warning. I'm being brutally honest here*

Reasons why ENTP gets friendzoned:

2. Sexually harassing
8. Self-centered - not too giving with time, money, or attention

Those 2 especially made me laugh really hard. Then I realized "money" was in there. Unless I'm dating a prostitute (in which case number 2 wouldn't matter) or giving out loans to girlfriends (which means that not getting girls is the least of my problems), money should not be an issue. In relationships, you give what you get. If she spends money on me, I spend it on her. Otherwise, I'm getting used.

[INTJellectual]

Those 2 especially made me laugh really hard. Then I realized "money" was in there. Unless I'm dating a prostitute (in which case number 2 wouldn't matter) or giving out loans to girlfriends (which means that not getting girls is the least of my problems), money should not be an issue. In relationships, you give what you get. If she spends money on me, I spend it on her. Otherwise, I'm getting used.

Wait... did I mention money? I mean it not in a prostitute/user kind of way. It's just one way of support. It's not really the main thing. Money doesn't matter at all. But there are some instances beyond our control that we would need money. It's just one way of showing care and support if you lend money. That's what I meant. Sorry if it confuses you.

[Jawz]

And seriously, we're generally "nice" guys. We're easy to confide to. :P

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