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This is a discussion on Gordon Ramsay within the ENTJ Forum - The Executives forums, part of the NT's Temperament Forum- The Intellects category; I'm going to disagree here for two reasons. 1) Everyone is jumping on the Se bandwagon. I see it differently. ...

  1. #31
    ENTJ - The Executives

    I'm going to disagree here for two reasons.

    1) Everyone is jumping on the Se bandwagon. I see it differently.

    Yes, Se is about noticing details - scanning the current situation about what is important and relevant. But, more importantly, it's about taking in information with an eye to focusing what actions to take to move forward - looking for relatable patterns and focusing on what the possibilities are for what do to next.

    I think Ramsay is much more of a Si user:
    He is scanning the current situation for what is DIFFERENT from what it SHOULD be. He is noticing discrepancies based on his past experience for what it SHOULD look like, smell like, taste like. He's using what he has already experienced and weighing what is in front of him against that. He's focused on what has worked in the past.

    I think he is a Si user.

    and



    2) The general consensus here is that he is an ENTJ. Where I disagree:
    I can't speak for all ENTJs, but based on my personal experience, when I create something, it's completely new. Everything goes out the window and I start from scratch trying to find the best possible way to do something. It doesn't matter how it was done before. It's a big picture view with a newly defined goal in mind. I think outside the box. Well, more accurately, I'm not even aware there IS a box.

    Yes, Ramsay is about efficiency (Te), but Ramsay is an inside the box kind of guy. He goes into an existing restaurant and tweaks things to make them run better, or opens up a new restaurant, or gives guidance to new chefs. Yes, it's efficient, but it's the same thing over and over. He's taking what he knows will work based on his past experiences and applying it to a similar situation. Everything he does is relatable to a past experience rather than a new idea.



    I vote ESTJ
    Last edited by MsBossyPants; 09-06-2012 at 11:13 AM.
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  2. #32
    INFP - The Idealists

    i think you have some really good points there. also, Ne might be developed in him, cuz although he's all about order and efficiency, i think he can be quite silly sometimes, i think this shows in his wacky, yet agressive humour.

  3. #33
    ENTJ - The Executives

    Quote Originally Posted by wiarumas View Post
    I originally said ESTP, but after watching a lot of his shows recently (hells kitchen, master chef, kitchen nightmares, hotel hell, f word, and him touring Asia), I'd say he may be an ENTJ. It's pretty inconclusive. There is a degree of acting, as well as his experience (as a football player and chef as he trained under) that may have reinforced that behavior. On the f word and the one where he tours Asia, you can see a different side than him being aggressive in the kitchen... as a parent, teacher, and on the Asian tour one, as a student. He is actually a pretty down to earth guy.

    You have to admit, owning more than a dozen restaurants with 13 Michelin stars, a consulting company, and several tv shows is a pretty impressive feat.
    I hear "down to earth" and think: SJ

  4. #34
    Unknown Personality

    Here is an interesting article about gordon ramsay and one of the restaurants he partnered with. That partnership didn't quite work out:

    Kitchen nightmare: Gordon Ramsay is ditched by his flagship Canadian restaurant after just six months | Mail Online


    Quoted 'The restaurant said that Ramsay also failed to create his own spectacular dishes and instead tweaked what was already there'.


    I don't like him, personally. He's exceedingly arrogant and he had a 7 year affair. I feel sorry for his wife.

  5. #35
    INTP - The Thinkers

    Gordon Ramsay has a very interesting personality. I have seen almost all of his television shows (all the UK ones, most of the US) and his image on US television has been distorted immensely to increase ratings. @MsBossyPants makes some very excellent points about Si, but I believe that part of his personality developed much later in his life after entering culinary arts. I believe Ramsay is ESTP mainly because I think he is a Fe user. He has very expressive body language, especially with his hands. The US shows don't show much of his emotions other than anger, but he does exhibit a wide range of facial expressions. Take a look at an interview here:



    The guy loves to move and it looks like he can't sit still. He also loves to laugh, this part of his personality doesn't come across too well in the US. He has a serious image but its been misconstrued to make him look like a dick. Ramsay just comes across as a big kid to me personally. Remember that he was a footballer prior to being a chef, which makes me think he is Se dom. I think the development of his Si/Te later on in his life is what lead to his success as a business man. Prior to that he was known to be pretty reckless. I think his behavior is much too out of line for him to be considered ESTJ. Remember that what you see now is a fully developed and balanced personality type, but his Fe is so strong even his wrinkly face can't hide it.

  6. #36
    INTP - The Thinkers

    Here's a video to make you all hungry:


  7. #37
    ENFP - The Inspirers

    I think he's an "I." I just do.

  8. #38
    INFJ - The Protectors

    He has that ENTP forehead and restless eyes and speech like these fellas for example :D

    Joel McHale

    Vince Vaughn

    Neil Patrick Harris

  9. #39
    INFJ - The Protectors

    I think I would need to see Gordon off of the television screen in order to accurately form an opinion, but ENTJ seems accurate to me and I know my ENTJ boyfriend is just IN LOVE with him. hahah. :)

  10. #40
    INTP - The Thinkers

    Quote Originally Posted by CounterPoint View Post
    Your reasoning is bad because both introverts and extraverts need alone time. That he took a walk after prolonged interaction tells you nothing about his temperament since both types do it. If you claim he is an ISTJ, you need to find evidence supporting the case for Si dominant.

    Doing a quick search, this is what I found:

    - "Ramsay's ferocious temper has contributed to his media appeal"

    - "the chef has also become infamous for his fiery temperament and use of expletives."

    - "Ramsay's reputation is built upon his goal of culinary perfection."

    - "Ramsay attributes his pugnacious management style to the influence of previous mentors" (pugnacious = eager or quick to argue)

    Does this sound like an ISTJ to you? His hair-trigger temper is clearly an indication of T-F on complete opposite ends, his need for perfection speaks for Te (Te-x-x-Fi). He is very clearly an EJ of sorts. I don't care enough to look into it any more than this.

    - source.
    Since when did anger suddenly become a Te thing? Btw, a lot of his anger is dramatized.


 
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