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This is a discussion on Mistyping as INTJs within the ENTJ Forum - The Executives forums, part of the NT's Temperament Forum- The Intellects category; Originally Posted by Ascharf I have two nuclear family members who are intjs and when they feel stressed or insecure ...

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    ENTJ - The Executives


    Quote Originally Posted by Ascharf View Post
    I have two nuclear family members who are intjs and when they feel stressed or insecure they readily become nit-picky with grammar and spelling and that was to which I was refering.
    Actually, situations of great stress are when we least resemble our MBTI types. This is when "shadow functions" come out. That's why it's best to administer MBTI tests during times when the subject feels relaxed. I mentioned this earlier; under depression, I became introverted, but it's not who I really am.

    Margaret did so by rejecting men as inefficient or incompetent.
    Some men, but certainly not "men" as a whole.

    I know you know male expectations, but you most likely wouldn't be familiar with the expectations placed on entj women. It was meant to be factual, not patronizing. Remember we use brutal honesty? ;)
    I'm aware of our brutal honesty. However, it was hard to tell what you were referring to when you said "you wouldn't know about that" given the way you structured your sentences.
    And that's why writing well and clearly is important.

    Regardless, I'm also aware of the expectations placed on women, contrary to what you were suggesting; however, I don't think most ENTJ women "lie" (to use your word). I think they tone down their public aggressiveness and try to minimize confrontation more than men do, but that's just being diplomatic, not dishonest. Thatcher and Hepburn never "lied" - they played politics by selling their ideas in a way that the mainstream would understand and debating them openly.
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    ENTJ - The Executives

    I do know about shadow functions, that's what I was referring to my family members, because typing at our worst moments is still how a type will react in a situation. I should have been more specific.
    I have the same experience with depression. Though I'm blessed I never had as sever depression as many of my friends. However, for a few years I assumed my brother and I had the same typing and I was an introvert because of my depression.

    She didn't rebuke men globally for sure, but she at least showed frustration toward men in general at a few points "If you want something said, ask a man; if you want something done, ask a woman." even if it was in jest, that was meant to indicate something. You see that motif shown through her life.

    No wonder we come across as rude and insensitive. Insulting my writing--which I already know needs work and is pointlessly convoluted--was needlessly pugnacious and meant to irritate rather than present a valid argument that we entj's pride ourselves on doing. I know writing is important, but some of us haven't had time to develop our skills to a level with which we could be satisfied. I'm still in school.

    I come from a very conservative community where "lie" is exactly the apt word to describe manipulating yourself into an entirely new person in-order to gain some semblance of acceptance. The conservative community I live in now, strongly resembles the earlier times these women lived in and so I can say that "lie"--in my opinion--is the word most accurate to describe they way they had to change themselves.
    I understand the concept of common courtesy in public relations (that's simply proper), but the dramatic difference between how they had to change, verses how their male counter-parts had to change is where I placed my focus.

    If you would like more information on this perspective I suggest looking at this blog. Its not mine, but I found it succinctly explained many concepts I struggled to express about why I find entj females face some significant challenges culturally. Living as an ENTJ Christian Girl - Life As A Dare
    The author refers to the religious christian community, however I find these problems often spread to other arenas, though I'm not suggesting they always do.

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    ENTJ - The Executives


    typing at our worst moments is still how a type will react in a situation. I should have been more specific.
    Under duress, an INTJ's "S" function might come out, but this can also apply to ENTJs. It certainly applies to me and the ENTJs I know. I see no reason for INTJs to take a different approach to opposing writing errors than ENTJs, under stress or in normal circumstances. However, ISTJs are much likelier in normal emotional states to take objection with errors simply because they are errors. INTJs, like ENTJs, dislike them under normal circumstances because of their implications. It has everything to do with the "N" and not the "I."

    No wonder we come across as rude and insensitive. Insulting my writing--which I already know needs work and is pointlessly convoluted--was needlessly pugnacious and meant to irritate rather than present a valid argument that we entj's pride ourselves on doing. I know writing is important, but some of us haven't had time to develop our skills to a level with which we could be satisfied. I'm still in school.
    No, you wrote in a way that was genuinely confusing. It made your actual argument harder to understand. I wasn't/am not trying to irritate; I'm just pointing out that - especially in text - your arguments need to be clear.

    come from a very conservative community where "lie" is exactly the apt word to describe manipulating yourself into an entirely new person in-order to gain some semblance of acceptance. The conservative community I live in now, strongly resembles the earlier times these women lived in and so I can say that "lie"--in my opinion--is the word most accurate to describe they way they had to change themselves.
    I understand the concept of common courtesy in public relations (that's simply proper), but the dramatic difference between how they had to change, verses how their male counter-parts had to change is where I placed my focus.
    That I understand perfectly, but that's very different from saying "ENTJs lie more [than INTJs]." I believe that's what you said earlier. That's a much more general and all-encompassing thing to say, and inaccurate in most scenarios. But even within the scenario you presented, I'd imagine INTJs have equal or near-equal trouble in conservative communities as ENTJs do. INTJ is (if I remember correctly) the least common type for women, and they're by no means closer to the conservative ideal - which would probably be ESFJ or ISFJ, the two most common female types.

    If you want to argue that ENTJ women (and INTJ women) have to hide their true selves in conservative communities, that's fine and I would agree. But that's very different from your initial claim.
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    Your first paragraph is great. I agree with every point. Istjs are much more likley. I was just responding to the origional posters question about who was more likley to nit-pick and from my personal experience intjs will spend more time on more introverted pursuits like say, writing and thus nit-pick more. The shadow function is what i refered to when I said the moral kind of objection.

    For many entj women i believe they would identify with the idea we lie more often, because the intj finds it less necessary to conform to norms than entjs finds it necessary; conforming means more friends, and as an intovert, they would be compelled less. This may not sound global but to entj women I can assure you this lie impacts much of my daily life and lives of every female entj I've know or seen in media. I just didnt care to go into specifics in my origional post. Also because we as entjs in general often inordinately question our own morality it would follow that we would assume this to be the case.
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    ENTJ - The Executives

    The biggest differences in INTJ vs ENTJ are their functions
    ENTJ: Te>Ni>Se>Fi
    INTJ: Ni>Te>Fi>Se

    So what Ascharf said about the INTJs she knows being way more niptic with grammar when under heavy stress than ENTJs makes some sense as when under heavy stress INTJs get controlled by their inferior Se (still heavy detail orientation is usually associated with Si not Se so it might make no sense after all)

    To answer the original question,
    ENTJs are probably more action oriented than INTJs as Te is dominant while in INTJs Ni is dominant and Te is the function that leads to action orientation.
    INTJs are probably more socially aware than ENTJs as their Fi is on tertiary while on ENTJs it is a inferior function. At the very least a INTJ will most probably have a better awareness of their own values.
    INTJ will probably be more "random" than an ENTJ while going through a conversation because their intuition will make them jump topics, more often and faster, as they make connections between subjects and patterns to reach the conclusion.

    On ENTJs and grammar, pretty sure ENTJs are careful to know how to write properly, even I a dyslexic ENTJ recognize it's importance and always try to double check what I write so that communication is effective. ( for example I just wrote right instead of write in the first sentence, wth brain... )
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    ENTJ - The Executives

    Quote Originally Posted by Ascharf View Post
    "Based on the ENTJs I know, myself included, nothing could be further from the truth. Caring about the big picture does not free oneself from the desire to uphold a professional demeanor."
    We pay attention to the idea of spelling and grammar because they are necessary for precision and organization but it often doesnt offend us on a "moral" or compulsive level in the way that it seems to bother intjs. Not that we dont find it unacceptable, but we care because it means someone was lazy or didnt value our time or care about excellence, but intjs are inherently offended by failure in that area.
    "ENTJs have a reputation for being brutally honest, not dishonest. No doubt there are ENTJs that lie (all human beings lie at times), but I don't think that that's an ENTJ characteristic."
    As far as lying, ahhhh, gender difference. I have to lie to make myself seem more demure, less blunt, and passive, ergo I assume entj guys do as well, but entj guys are the paragon of what a male is supposed to be so you wouldn't know about that.
    "Regarding the generalizations about religion, what's perhaps ironic is that you just made a generalization about INTJs."
    A personality type like an intj will have common characteristics by and large, in a way that a very varied ideology that has so many definitions like a faith will not. I also only gave religion as an example, I could have just as readily said "people who like the spice girls/Beethoven/nirvana". The poster also asked for generalizations about typing so that's what I gave them.

    The grudges thing is just a pattern I've noticed as I know quite a few ntjs and am one
    um, this is a gross generalization which many of us do not typify on this subforum. you seem to be shooting from the hip.


    married to an INTJ, related to an ENTJ, friends with many INTJs and ESTJs to boot.

    i don't lie anywhere near as much as the INTJs do. I find it distasteful

    I care about grammar.

    what truly differentiates us is my ability to derive energy from social interactions, while INTJs that I know need to recharge after

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    @Korpasov @Ascharf you guys are funny.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tea Path View Post
    This is what I've deduced to from the link:
    •ENTJs is more likely to share their thoughts.
    •INTJs is likely to enjoy brainstorming more than ENTJs.
    •ENTJs will drive people to be just as enthused on their level.
    •ENTJs prefer closure more than INTJs.

    Is this... as on the surface and prominent you get?

    Also, Ni and Te are both on top. They're not really shadow functions so they are used more often. But I'm not too sure how often one use their main function a lot. Would I get criticise more by an ENTJ than an INTJ? Maybe an INTJ would say "pathetic" in their mind while an ENTJ would say it out loud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chapdeedeedee View Post
    Would I get criticise more by an ENTJ than an INTJ? Maybe an INTJ would say "pathetic" in their mind while an ENTJ would say it out loud.
    It'd probably depend on the context. In a public environment, an INTJ is more likely to keep his/her thoughts to himself/herself. However, one-on-one, an INTJ is prone to be just as vocal - if not more vocal than - an ENTJ.

    Another factor would be how well this person knows you. An INTJ who doesn't know you that well would be less vocal than an ENTJ who doesn't know you that well.

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    ENTJ - The Executives

    Quote Originally Posted by Chapdeedeedee View Post
    @Korpasov @Ascharf you guys are funny.



    This is what I've deduced to from the link:
    •ENTJs is more likely to share their thoughts.
    •INTJs is likely to enjoy brainstorming more than ENTJs.
    •ENTJs will drive people to be just as enthused on their level.
    •ENTJs prefer closure more than INTJs.

    Is this... as on the surface and prominent you get?

    Also, Ni and Te are both on top. They're not really shadow functions so they are used more often. But I'm not too sure how often one use their main function a lot. Would I get criticise more by an ENTJ than an INTJ? Maybe an INTJ would say "pathetic" in their mind while an ENTJ would say it out loud.
    criticism of what? your ideas or you personally?
    fwiw, my observations are that I'm more likely to execute quickly than INTJs I know. I can coordinate people almost effortlessly, interact and know much about people, I am often prepared.
    they tend to get lost in thought (likely Ni) more often. they tend to be more tactful from their tendency to think first, then act.
    I think you are right that we are very similar.

    how do feel you compare to INTP?


     
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