[RomanticRealist]

I know there has been situations where I was wrong in the past (not many imo, most of the time, it's more like we're both right in some regards) but the farthest that I would go is in to say "I'm sorry".



I'm not sure if this is an ENTJ character trait or not but there is just no way that I can bring myself to say "I am wrong", even if it may help the situation and calm the other person down. I just can't do it, sometimes I would rather get angry and make things worse than saying "I'm wrong".

Anyone else get that?

[fn0rd]

I have no problem admitting when I am wrong, no matter how infrequent it may be, but I do know a few other ENTJs that, as you describe, could never bring themselves to say such a thing.

I really have no qualms about it, and it's not situational. I am either correct, or incorrect, and for me there is no in between.

[dude10000]

Anyone else get that?

I get the "you're just trying to win the argument" sometimes. What is the point of an argument if you don't attempt to prove your conclusion?

I've told people they are right when I am wrong before-- it is not like I make a fetish out of something airy as ideas or my immortal soul. Sometimes I'll even put something out there just to see if the other party will step up and deliver the proof either way. Paradoxically, we can only take arguments seriously if we don't take them seriously.

I really, really detest emotobabble though. I once argued to someone how a price floor in the labor market contributes to unemployment. In response, the person asked, what about the children? and can't corporations just help out just a widdle bit? That's all we're asking! I replied, you're not getting the concept of marginalism and tried to explain again-- used a few examples, like a business laying off people to automate, the person admitted a $30hr min wage would create unemployment, $20hr would create unemployment but not as much as $30hr (but refused to acknowledge the principle that leads to this inference), and then I mentioned just as increasing the price of my old car doesn't make it easier for me to sell it, increasing the price of labor doesn't make it easier for people to get jobs. The higher the price of the car, the higher the difficulty of selling it, etc. etc.

"Oh, you're just trying to win the argument!"

[Versatile Leader]

In a debate I am always on the right side but sometimes when my opponent is about to put me on the wrongside i always turn the situation around .Sometimes In the Inside i know i am wrong but on the outside i will never utter those words "ok you are right".

[WickedQueen]

If I think I'm wrong, I will apologize. If I don't think I'm wrong, even when the whole world blame me for the bad thing that had happened, you bet I won't apologize.

The problem is, I very rarely think that I'm wrong, so...

[Versatile Leader]

I will never lose debate to S types never and i will never accept i was wrong to a S type. I have never lost an argument i think its impossible. My greatest strength is that i know what people are going to say before they even say it, its like i can intercept people's thoughts.

[napoleon227]

I agree with fn0rd, I have no problem admitting when I'm wrong. In fact, I usually preface what I say with a caveat if I'm not sure about it and I'll back up what I say when I am sure about it. But I just can't understand people who can't admit to being wrong. I won't pass judgement on those, but I sure won't have much to do with them. I find it very difficult to have any kind of honest relationship with those who can't admit when they are wrong (and they are often the most defensive as well).

[Versatile Leader]

The reason i said about S types is because many of my female members are S types and we don't get along. I have a grudge with them but not the ones on this site :) Where i usually get into disagrrement with S types is about their inability to see things ahead. I always get into arguments with them over that

[Versatile Leader]

Lol My neighbor threatened to cut my head off lol if you don't see VL's posts in two wrks know he is gone to Hades

[Diphenhydramine]

I will admit I'm wrong if any of the following circumstances are met:
1. I am wrong AND I have been shown to be wrong by somebody who is magnanimous
2. I am wrong AND I have upset somebody I care about with my stubborness (non-ENTJ trait alert...?)
3. I am wrong AND not admitting it would damage me in the future in some way
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