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This is a discussion on ENTJ: How do you handle unemployment? within the ENTJ Forum - The Executives forums, part of the NT's Temperament Forum- The Intellects category; I'm curious what the ENTJ outlook and response would be to sudden unemployment, especially in an economic situation like the ...

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    ISTP - The Mechanics

    ENTJ: How do you handle unemployment?

    I'm curious what the ENTJ outlook and response would be to sudden unemployment, especially in an economic situation like the one we have now. With so many sectors collapsing and the banking/financial worlds getting smashed, people who have never been without work are suddenly standing in the breadline for the first time in their lives.

    I'm curious because my response as an S is that I can't see two feet in front of me. I have no sense of what the future will bring, and I am a slave to my day-to-day reality. I mostly just try to not to think about it, because 1. It is what it is, and 2. I can't change it. I am Scarlett O'Hara "I'll think about that tomorrow"

    My boyfriend (ENTJ) spent a lot of time as a finance executive before the crash. He seems to be able to deal with this in a much better way...he seems to almost "know" the future. I keep asking him "how can you be so calm about this?" and I think he's dealing with the stress in his own way. But he speaks about the future with such confidence sometimes....I am sort of in awe...I wish I understood the N thing better.

    Is it intuition that lets you see the future better than other types? Or is it just wishful thinking?
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    ENTJ - The Executives

    I'd handle unemployment by becoming employed (Self-employed or otherwise)...

    Contrary to popular news bits, there have been multiple bubble bursts, crashes and recessions the past 50+ years. Any good ENTJ that's worth their weight in manure has had to ride these out, as well as learned much from them... as well as history.

    Also, while there are always so many things changing, an equal number of things remain the same. Empires and civilizations have grown and crumbled the past 4000 years, all sharing the same lumbering sacks of flesh we call people. If anything, that is one thing that always remains constant- humans are there to bring along all their predictable, reliable traits and quirks.

    I hope this answers your question!
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    Unknown Personality

    ENTJ: How do you handle unemployment?
    Well, I'm unemployed right now. Like anything, there's positives and negatives.

    As far as the big picture goes, it works out nicely for me. I have a Bachelor's in physics, but have been working lame office jobs the last few years. While I was working I was independently learning skills to switch over to software design mid-2010, and with more than enough free time at my disposal, that will definitely happen. Make estimates, stick to a schedule, put in the time, get intelligent criticism and feedback, hit deadlines, everything transitions out.

    At a personal level, positives of unemployment include no commutes, no stress, beauty sleep, plenty of time to make new friends, leisure, and the personal career building I mentioned above.

    Negatives of unemployment-- well, for most women, a man that doesn't have a job is radioactive. So anything romantically is DOA until I get my body back into a cubicle. A side-effect is that this has soured my formerly innocent views about marriage, since short-term financial circumstances seem to matter a great deal to most people when looking at potential mates.

    Another side effect-- if work was being used to fill in holes in your soul, any spiritual rot becomes exposed once the free time hits. *That* battleship is tougher to turn around, but it has nothing to do with unemployment per se. Getting a job is just a matter of finding what people want and giving it to them. Thinking clearly about what *you* want out of life, instead of trying to meet the status standards of an invisible *they* -- that's tougher, because most of the time we're on autopilot, which means personal identity can be gobbled up by impersonal considerations without us noticing it.
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    ENTJ - The Executives

    Unemployed ENTJ

    I faced this some years ago. I remember feeling very strongly that I must not let it touch me or I would crumble. Happy to share more if it would help but I'm a new boy and not allowed the privilege of personal messages.
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    ISTP - The Mechanics

    Okay you know what I notice already?

    You guys (and my bf) have the exact same response .. as far as becoming self-employed and this

    "Make estimates, stick to a schedule, put in the time, get intelligent criticism and feedback, hit deadlines, everything transitions out."

    and this

    "Getting a job is just a matter of finding what people want and giving it to them."

    and this

    "I'd handle unemployment by becoming employed (Self-employed or otherwise).."

    My bf is now launching his own business.

    You all are very decisive and seem to be able to "make things happen". I am in awe of that since I am sitting here adrift, and not being able to make a decision. I literally come up with a different idea every day, go around and around in my head analyzing it, then set it aside as not a good solution...and so I continue to sit here on my butt. It's paralyzing!!
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    Unknown Personality

    Quote Originally Posted by MissFixit View Post
    You all are very decisive and seem to be able to "make things happen". I am in awe of that since I am sitting here adrift, and not being able to make a decision. I literally come up with a different idea every day, go around and around in my head analyzing it, then set it aside as not a good solution...and so I continue to sit here on my butt. It's paralyzing!!
    Do you think it may be because you're not content to do work that you're not passionate about? I'm not saying that I think you are, but I know that's how I am, even as an ENTJ. However, I get the work done - even if I hate it - and I do my best with everything. That's just how I am; I'm a perfectionist. So I suck it up when I have to do work that I hate. It's a means to an end. I'm able to see how I am building character and learning lessons for the long run, and why I need to do certain things to achieve my bigger goals. Example: I want to be a superstar singer. In the meantime, I know I have to do other things in order to finance my dreams. I am a receptionist at a salon and I take any little jobs that I can find (in terms of singing, modeling, acting, etc). I actually think I need to get a second job now, so the simplest (and best) option will be for me to go back to my old job as a waitress. But if you're paralyzed because you can't do what you're passionate about, you may need to wait for a while. You may need to do the crappy stuff now so you can follow your passion later.

    I can understand what you mean when you say this, though: "I literally come up with a different idea every day, go around and around in my head analyzing it, then set it aside as not a good solution." I can be like that when I'm highly stressed. It's almost like procrastinating or finding excuses. I hate when I feel like that. Right now, the best advice I can give you is what I said above, unless you want to elaborate on your situation.
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    ENTJ - The Executives

    I'm not very advanced with using MBTI but what MissFixit describes sounds very like Resource Investigator/Completer Finisher in the Belbin Team roles. its no good us ENTJ's (Plant/Shapers) telling her to be more like us. Thats like Pygmalion, "Why can't a woman be more like a man?"! The helpful thing would seem to be to work with someone who has a different profile. In my projects I know disaster will follow if I don't employ resource investigators & completer finishers. Her bf's business ideas may be too embryonic to support 2 people now, but they will soon need a mix of skills, alternatively find a project that needs support.
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    INTJ - The Scientists

    unemployment

    After being recruited into a job in 2007, I have been laid off twice. I take initial solace in knowing the architecture profession is at nearly 20% unemployment. I've now been out of work for nearly a year. I feel like I know myself much more, but my purpose/future is in doubt. I maintain certain expectations of success, as that is all I've ever known, but see myself in much less control of the capital elements in life. I am more cynical about class divisions, to the point of consciously resisting conspiratorial thought.

    I categorize how the past year of unemployment has affected my life; Economically, Personally, Professionally. A sort of rational approach, I suppose.

    Economics is simple, I've lost about 40k. On the up side, I've learned how to be more frugal. On the wishful thinking downside, I wasn't in position to invest during the market's recovery in 2009. Of most importance today, I am approaching a point where I will no longer be economically self-reliant. I'm well positioned for survival, though I'd prefer not to live in poverty.

    Personally, I've engaged much more fully in my romantic relationship. I now live with my girlfriend, who is an idealist, and she has encouraged me to explore the more intuitive artistic desires I have. Though, I constantly question whether this is a massive distraction that has replaced something else. Is there an end-sum condition, and what have I lost? Is this the reason I can't find work? There is a constant fear of failure, of being a failure, that you are not the same person you were when you were 'successful'. You have to believe in yourself, almost blindly.

    Professionally, extended unemployment is a disaster. I cannot identify what I need to do to find employment. I know I'm not alone when I cringe at the word 'Networking', but I really just cannot small talk a stranger. In a success, I've created contacts in the creative non-profits landscape and stayed busy enough to effectively fill in my CV.

    In review, I deal with unemployment through optimistic rationality. I am able to fill my days with compulsive projects that may or may not have meaning. Unemployment has led to isolation and loneliness, but also introspection and understanding (maybe). Mostly uncertainty and anxiety, but that is nothing new.
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    Unknown Personality

    "He seems to be able to deal with this in a much better way...he seems to almost "know" the future."

    Fear clouds the mind, a person who sends out positive THOUGHTS activates the world around him positively and draws back to himself positive results.

    " I have no sense of what the future will bring, and I am a slave to my day-to-day reality. I mostly just try to not to think about it, because 1. It is what it is, and 2. I can't change it."

    You can have anything you want if you will give up the belief that you can't have it, outcomes in our lives are created by our beliefs. What ever the mind can conceive and believe it can achieve.
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    ISTP - The Mechanics

    The thing about this current recession is that unemployment does not have the same stigma that it has in the past -- re: JHBowden's comments about romance being impossible when you're out of work -- that's not really true. I get what he's saying and for some women it might still be that way, but the reality is the recession has hit men the hardest.

    I'm an engineer. I know highly experienced engineers, investment bankers, finance/accounting professionals that are unemployed for the first time. Anything building related (like architecture) has been hit hard. The rates are SO HIGH right now, that it's impossible to go around disqualifying potential romantic partners based on employment status at the moment. But that's just my view maybe...

    My dilemma is whether or not to go to school and invest the time and money to jump careers. I have been seriously considering nursing just for the stability. But of course my heart lies in more creative pursuits.

    I'm just inspired by the way ENTJ's seem to handle this situation. I know that if you let it affect your feelings of self-worth it leads to a bad spiral. I guess the key is to stay BUSY, even if it's not always completely productive?
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