[giraffe11]

Doing what is only convenient for them. Seemingly immune to caring.

[Versatile Leader]

ENTJ who have a blind J function who like to point other people's nakedness and cannot see their own.

ENTJ

[Versatile Leader]

ENTJ hypocrites. they are hypocrites they like to talk about other people's faults but cannot see their own. To tell you the truth they are lucky, if they said stupid things like that to me (in the real world)they were going to end up with a good looking face. I can assure you of that.

[The Nymph]

Cynical and condescending.

[McFly]

Cynical and condescending.

None of these are qualities of a healthy ENTJ. These threads are kind of annoying because it's really easy to pick out bad qualities of an unhealthy type and make people assume that they're also true for the healthy ones. Not to 'seem' like im pissed off but it would be like calling every ENFP ''scatterbrained, manipulative clutses''.

[Grim]

None of these are qualities of a healthy ENTJ. These threads are kind of annoying because it's really easy to pick out bad qualities of an unhealthy type and make people assume that they're also true for the healthy ones. Not to 'seem' like im pissed off but it would be like calling every ENFP ''scatterbrained, manipulative clutses''.

There is some truth mixed in with the crap...

Those are easily qualities of "healthy" ENTJs. Health is not an on/off switch. It's more like wave. You spend time in both zones on a daily basis. Your net health is consistent with which zone you spend most of your time in, and how deep into you go, and the decisions you make.

ENTJs are cynical and condescending. You can be those things simply because you're angry. The anger could be justified and perfectly healthy. Likewise other types might not become cynical or condescending when they're "unhealthy".

It's also easy to drag "health" into and act like some ENTJs might be exempt. The implication is there are ENTJs out there that never become "unhealthy", so you wont have to deal with it if you spend time with one of those ENTJs... the implication being that you're one of those ENTJs...

They are ENTJ traits, and no ENTJ is exempt. This does look like you're just upset because you don't like having your flaws pointed out... which is a reasonable position to be in all things considered.

As for ENFPs-- don't forget "unfaithful sluts".

[giraffe11]

There is some truth mixed in with the crap...

Those are easily qualities of "healthy" ENTJs. Health is not an on/off switch. It's more like wave. You spend time in both zones on a daily basis. Your net health is consistent with which zone you spend most of your time in, and how deep into you go, and the decisions you make.

ENTJs are cynical and condescending. You can be those things simply because you're angry. The anger could be justified and perfectly healthy. Likewise other types might not become cynical or condescending when they're "unhealthy".

It's also easy to drag "health" into and act like some ENTJs might be exempt. The implication is there are ENTJs out there that never become "unhealthy", so you wont have to deal with it if you spend time with one of those ENTJs... the implication being that you're one of those ENTJs...

They are ENTJ traits, and no ENTJ is exempt. This does look like you're just upset because you don't like having your flaws pointed out... which is a reasonable position to be in all things considered.

As for ENFPs-- don't forget "unfaithful sluts".

All true. The healthy/unhealthy label also gets thrown around as a matter of convenience. For instance, all the ENTJs I know (and have known in my life) are cynical and condescending on a daily basis, BUT it seems fine to me for two reasons: 1) I find much humor in it and 2) it's never directed at me.

To get even more specific, two of the aforementioned ENTJs do not hide how annoyed they get when dealing with stupid people who don't see "obvious" facts or implications when given a mish mash of related data. But they have never been annoyed with me since I am usually on the same page as them -- and if I'm not, I can ask intelligent questions. "Stupid" or righteous people might write this off as "cynical and condescending" and further conclude that these quaities are traits of an unhealthy ENTJ. Others, however, may experience this very cynicism as essential parts of the overall personality of an ENTJ.

[TaylorS]

End-Justifies-the-Means thinking.

Acting like a dictator.

Sociopathic tendencies.

Plowing onwards without a care about the feelings of others.

[Grim]

End-Justifies-the-Means thinking.

Acting like a dictator.

Sociopathic tendencies.

Plowing onwards without a care about the feelings of others.

Ironically enough, sociopaths also have sociopathic tendencies. Any MBTI can be a sociopath.

I think points one, two, and four were just different ways of saying the same thing. People don't really care much about utilitarian thinking unless they fall victim to it... ergo feelings get trampled. Same with being talked down by a dictator.

All these things are subjective in their own right. Sometimes things simply have to get done. Having to take feelings into account could be called coddling, babysitting, or hand holding. I'm sure there are plenty of ENTJs that don't take their own feelings into account. Why should yours be more important to them than their own? Most likely because you believe they should. Which seems perfectly reasonable to me. But if arrogance is abandoned for a moment... what do you think the ENTJ believes? That sometimes, things simply need to be done, and basing actions and decisions on feelings is wasteful, counter-productive, and restrictive? That too seems reasonable...

But which of you would be in the right, or wrong?

Depends-- are you the sort that would let your feelings get in the way of needful activity? Or be stubborn/resistant just because your feelings were not taken into account? Or can you recognize there are times when feelings should be set aside? And is the ENTJ the sort that would make an effort to trample feelings? Or can the ENTJ recognize that not everything is critical, and sometimes doing things to make others happy is important too?

One thing over time I have noticed is that "Feelings" kind of enjoy this sort of "endangered species" status. The expectation is that all effort be made to be considerate of them, protect them, nurture them. Any encroachment into their territory is dealt with harshly. To me this is just another brand of arrogance akin to the sort people despise from ENTJs. "Feelings" tend to demand that all effort be made to understand "me". But rarely do I ever see "Feelings" go out of it's way to try to understand where the ENTJ is coming from, or what difficulties they may be facing.

Thinking and feeling functions are just that. Functions. Asking thinkers to understand feelings, is exactly like thinkers asking feelers to have a level of skill solving complex logic problems. Or Introverts to learn to be comfortable in crowds. Or strong P types to stop having such a hard time picking a spot to eat lunch.

[KaylRyck]

Perhaps this was written for ENTJs deliberately lol...

How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.

^^^