[Lev]

& I don't even know if I'm an ENTJ. I repeatedly take the test but continue to be an ENTJ - even given by other systems.

I mean without a doubt I know, but really?

I am a female, so more so this a thread for any other ENTJ females to relate because I wanted some insight on their background. A compare and contrast, if you will. On a lot of things, not just your childhood.

I remember as a child I was a tom boy, and always the leader of the group. It was never intended (outwardly, haha, but I had my plans), it defaulted this way. I was never interested in dating until I was about 20. Simply because nobody was competent and what could you possibly make out of a relationship any younger than 20 except the ritualistic mating process? It's obvious at that age, I'd wished people would be more realistic with themselves and stop the facade, especially men approaching me.

Any attempts to conform me to more "womanly ways" was viciously defeated with stubborn rebellion with my parents.

Being only a bit older now, I notice I'm either befriend competent people (much older than me), or no one at all.
It's like I have agreed with forever, "If you can't handle the heat get out of the kitchen."

It's hard to make me laugh - the oh so average sense of humor everyone shares? Come on, when people actually laugh at that or waste my time with it, I want a refund.
I hate when people talk and you think, Oh they KNOW about that! and you open up your knowledge box and they're looking at you going, because they signed out as soon as you opened your mouth.

In regards to guys I ended up with a man who had minimal depth, I suspect he an an INTJ but I could be wrong. When he disrespects me or makes me SUSPECT I have been wronged outright, (though I KNOW), I can become domineering. Ok..more domineering than normal...and I can confront him like a lion. He doesn't flinch or react, in 5 minutes hes forgotten and is none the wiser.

Men I have been very close to, it's ALWAYS the same. We share understanding, concern, thoughts, theories, patterns of thinking and goals. We do things together, we're outward, active but close. Then they get touchy feely. Oh, I didn't take their advice. Oh, I didn't defer. Oh, I didn't consult them. So when I am badgered or belittled this way I send retort like a T-90 -





their way. I've been labeled as the TANK. It isn't very sexual in their regards either - simply a warning. The last guy that had a panic attack with me did the final disrespect and mocked me outright, so I cut him to pieces and he ran away. I suspected I should feel sad, but I felt, proud. sometimes I stop and go, it'd be nice to have a conversation with him....HAHA..no, I won that war, no going back and move on.


Are there other ENTJ women that think this way?
I think given the "norm" per society, an ENTJ FEMALE is like a live grenade in the eyes of many and it tends to make others shove us away. I feel like I'm some lone wolf leader on an island that everyone vacated. They'd drown before hang around. XD

So I read about ENTJ women and was surprised how easily I identified with them.

Another situation is the workplace. Upon entry to the position coworkers assume I am either the meek mouse or are intimidated, depending on what version they get to view first. Within two days I've mastered the job and am suggesting my trainer how to go about their commands and prompts in the system. I'm under the impression I'm making it better, easier, and am still assuming my role - I'm showing him I understand! I find out later others assume I'm trying to act like I know it all.

No,not all, just more than most of them. Give me two more weeks and I'll have your job.

[EverSo]

LOL. I like your spunk.
I definitely feel like I too can be ostracized. I think it is mainly because I sort of group people. I learned through experience that is best to avoid drama in the professional atmosphere, which in my case is currently school. I actually know a ridiculous amount of people, so I am told. The thing is I don't want them to mix unless they do it on their own. So I prefer to have a social group, a study group, a group I work with projects on, and a private life. Even among my social groups are groups, but that is only because I like a LARGE variety of people.

I think that is the manner in which I differ from you. I feel like different people have different strengths and personalities. I love the variety and I enjoy the experiences. I think I stress having a unique relationship the most. Of course this does not provide the needed sense of closeness, but I think it makes me a better person. It keeps me more balanced if you will. It also means that I sort of go through people a lot, but it is not willingly. I don't exchange contacts with everyone. I just see them when I see them, because that is how college and cities are. Once they disappear, they become a memory.

I do like having close friends although I realize that the ones I keep are not close because of our personalities, but because of our strengths. We all are bossy and uncompromising. We've defined our morals in a sense and we follow them. We don't have the same morals, but what I think we like about each other is that we stand up for them so strongly. Our goals are different too, so we go our separate ways and rendezvous every now and then.

In the boy department, I feel the same way. I am sure that I come off as intimating. I think it is because I will literally jump into things. The guys I attract, I don't really care for. They are either too nice (I would become a slave to a nice person, because how can I say no when they've done me no harm) or they are really arrogant and I am sure they have an STD (or maybe not, but I hate sharing when it comes to people I really care about. I have to feel special). My ideal type is definitely the strong silent type or the a confident, but not belittling co-dependent guy.

As for the whole tom-boy thing, I can definitely relate. In middle and high school, I always had a guy best friend in addition to girl best friends. They were my more logical side to life. I had to get a new one every year, so eventually I just stopped with guys period. Now, although I think being in the engineering major also has to do with it, I still have a lot of guy friends. I just don't keep them as close. We do work together if they are in my classes. I put the group together myself (full of guys) and I make sure that I am the glue.

When I dated, it was like a war ground. I actually like quiet people. I pick them out as friends because I feel they will be the most loyal; repercussions to being ditched so many times. Well it turns out that quiet guys can be sensitive sometimes. I didn't mind sensitive guys until I found out that there are some who can cry way...way... way more than me. I don't want to be the guy in the relationship. Also I hate pitying others.

I feel like the social qualities make me an outcast even among my strong female friends. Apparently if you give simple rational answers to (emotional) problems that people have been dreading over for days, you are looked upon as impersonal and unrelate-able. That is not a decorated standing with girls and even your closest friends will isolate you at times.

As for the work part, I transform into a robot. I have one goal; success. Don't get in my way!
I think my professional disposition is similar to yours because I don't want to step up or lead until I've mastered whatever I was doing first. Clearly, manager is not going to be specialized in the same skills as the ones to be lead. However, I feel as though the manager should be able to do the job of his/her underlings to some level of competence. My main goal is to be well rounded and I don't mind someone else getting the position I want if they are more competent.