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What does it mean to have a 9 in your tritype? What about it makes it an impossibility to have a 9 fix and another instinctual fix?
9 always overrides any behaviours and attitudes that lead to arrogance. It helps me to go with the flow for the sake of harmony. It makes me a little reliant on others though to get their hands dirty whilst I allow myself to become absent and just let everyone take charge. It keeps me away from unneccesary drama. However, the downside is that I feel decisions are made and it upsets me sometimes that I am not consulted about it because they assumed I wouldn't mind. It causes me to feel like I don't exist or don't matter and ignored. I understand the feelings of invisibility that many 9's suffer with.
Well, having any fix makes it impossible to have another fix in the same triad. Could you rephrase the question?Originally Posted by Wake
My 9 in my tritype is still under review at the moment, so I'm not going to get into specifics about it.
I've got a 9 wing. In the last place in my tritype.
Um, do I count?
My understanding thus far is that 1 fix would be are morally principled. They have a have an belief system in which they create a code of conduct around.
8s rely on a materialistic sense of fairness in which they feel out what is right and wrong in an intuitive fashion. They don't have a sense of idealism like the 1.
What is a 9 fixers stance, and how does it make the other two incapable of coexisting within the same individual?
Read my response to madhatter to get on the same page as me.
Conflict avoidance is only an effect of being a type with a 9 fix. You can think anything, but not necessarily take action. Your response does speak to it indicating that you try to lack an opinion for the sake of peace. A set code of beliefs are not held closely for preservation of peace, and you do not try to sense injustices.
Your take @Boss? I know you're busy, but I feel you probably have a better understanding than most on this topic.
Oh I see what you mean now. Coincidentally, reading your discussion with Boss in the Type Me thread actually got me thinking about this very question. No one ever talks about morality in a 9. It's always about peace and avoiding conflict. If I were to choose one for myself, I would fall more on the 8 side of spectrum (because of 9 with a strong 8 wing, possibly 8w9 fix). Do you think it's possible that 9s, being at the center and most removed from the Instinctual triad, are inert, because they are disconnected from their own code, and draw on everyone else's around them, in an attempt to merge with their environment (at average or unhealthy levels of course)?
No, I wouldn't say I lack an opinion, I still feel strongly about stuff. Its the way I say it or maybe indirectly say it when you put all parts of the jigsaw together. I just don't want to stir a drama.
9s active instinctual actions are said to be without strong feeling or thinking activity or at rest. The disconnect comes from putting up with other's POV's to not stir drama as mushroom displays in his latest post, and this fits my experience and makes sense in logically. I would suggest that the 8 and the 1 are both aggressive types which feel strongly when their instinctual morality is active. A 9 would always desire to stay at rest when something bothers them. The issue I see with this is is that each type of the other six types are only so assertive, and they are not a 1, 9, or 8. To say they'll always react or think a certain way because they're of an 8 tritype is inaccurate because they're not confined into the same state of mind that the 8 is.
My current stance on this is that we all take moral stances like a 1 and also EDIT: intuitively feel out a basic meaning of wrong doings due to emphasis on the materialistic realm similar to an 8. END EDIT What separates the 8 and 1 though is that they have a belief system built into their being which makes them try to deny that the other sense of morality exists. 1s must think out right and wrong to ensure they're staying within in their moral principles, and 8s deny that moral principles should exist because the world really works in a free for all. I currently wouldn't say I'd apply the tritype past either 1 vs 8 with a gradient involved because each individuals perception is not tied to this line of thought as heavily as the 1 or 8.
Last edited by Wake; 03-25-2012 at 03:10 AM. Reason: Changed meaning of 8 morality for accuracy
@Wake: I think this is what you are looking for.
(Source)Type 8, often called The Boss or The Asserter. Aggression is directed outward against the environment (i.e. other people). There is little repression of inner impulses. When they are upset or angry they let you know it! Eights focus their attention outward in an expansive, vital way and have trouble relating to the world because they seek to resist or control their exterior environment. Eights don’t want to be affected by the external world so they repress fear and vulnerability in themselves. They use their aggressive energy to dominate their world and maintain control over their immediate environment. It is as if an Eight subconsciously thinks, “Nobody is going to harm me. I’m going to keep my guard up and be tough so that nobody can take advantage or hurt me.” In repressing their soft side and maintaining a confrontational stance, Eights can lose the ability to be close to others or to trust anyone.
Type 1, often called The Perfectionist or The Do-Gooder. Aggression is directed inward against themselves. By contrast, Ones direct their aggression inward rather than outward like Eights. For Ones there is great repression of inner impulses. Ones have trouble relating to the world because they are resisting and controlling their inner environment, particularly their instincts and aggressions. Ones want their inner life to be orderly and consistent so they try to repress all parts of themselves that don’t conform with their ideals. They get angry with themselves in an effort to keep themselves in line but they can also be aggressive with others when they feel that their self-control is being threatened by another’s behavior. Ironically, the more Ones try to control themselves, the more obsessive and out of control they get.
Type 9, often called The Peacemaker or The Mediator. Aggression is directed both outward and inward at “threats.” Nines tend to deny their aggression, as if they don’t have any. They have trouble relating to the world because they resist both the external environment and their internal fears and anxieties. Nines do not want certain inner feelings and thoughts to disturb their equilibrium. They want their reality to be peaceful and free of conflicts and problems. So, like Ones, they suppress powerful instinctive drives and emotions. At the same time, Nines hold a strong ego boundary against the outer world because they don’t want to be hurt, like Eights. To keep their outer and inner worlds calm and harmonious they repress their anger and aggressive feelings but in the process they also repress their sense of self, their own identity, their own individuality. Nines try to control the world passive-aggressively – by ignoring whatever parts of it make them feel uncomfortable.
Thus, it is almost like Type 9 encompasses parts of both 1 and 8.
EDIT: I honestly don't think morality has much to do with the differences between 1, 8, and 9. Morality separates Type 1 for sure, but the others, not so much. It definitely has to do more with where we place our aggressions.
I disagree. Conflict avoidance is the heart of the 9 fix. If someone has a 9w1 fix, they will be able to sense injustices because of their 1 wing. A code of beliefs is definitely held. I think this whole discussion is purely dependent on how much Type 1 is represented in someone's overall type.
Last edited by MBTI Enthusiast; 03-26-2012 at 05:30 PM.
There was a time when I was considering 9w8 as my core type - but then I realized that I actually loved battling more than I believed. I get into truckloads of fights, conflicts, arguments, debates and I like the feeling of feeling powerful. I enjoy winning debates. But not as much as a core 8 would. I do it because it's good for the image. I do it because I like it when others are watching me stick up for the innocent underdog.
For me, there was a time when I was considering core 9. I think it's somewhere in there --- but whether it's my second, or third fix is lost. I looked at the 8w9 description and this is how I related to it.
At the moment, 8w9 for me is having that little warning flag [when I'm engaged in a heated debate, discussion/argument] that goes "Dude, calm the F down ... others are watching ... and you might be coming across as an a******!" So, in other words it regulates the 8 and normalizes it so to speak. I usually walk away before things get "really" ugly --- but I don't mind sustaining a conflict for as long as it takes to come to some sort of internal resolution.
Pfft ... I dunno .. that's how I see it now anyways. It's a lot more clearer to me than it used to be. All things flow from a desire for likeability, appreciation, validation ---- and once I know that those are already in place, then I engage.
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