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    Type 6

    Using physical characteristics to type someone

    Lately when I have been browsing some enneagram forums, I have noticed that people are being typed by their outward physical characteristics e.g facial structure, tone of voice, body language, style of clothing etc. The guys who run Enneagram Explorations use this type of system a lot based on extensive research, correlations with outward image and E type. I personally am very sceptical of this kind of typing as the be all end all but I do believe aswell there is an element of truth to it. Do you believe this method to be accurate?
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  2. #2
    Type 4

    Quote Originally Posted by mushr00m View Post
    Lately when I have been browsing some enneagram forums, I have noticed that people are being typed by their outward physical characteristics e.g facial structure, tone of voice, body language, style of clothing etc. The guys who run Enneagram Explorations use this type of system a lot based on extensive research, correlations with outward image and E type. I personally am very sceptical of this kind of typing as the be all end all but I do believe aswell there is an element of truth to it. Do you believe this method to be accurate?
    I am very skeptical of that. I would think it's *possible* clothing style could have some enneagram correlation (but not to the point you can accurately type by just a person's style), but no correlation between any of the other things you mentioned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mushr00m View Post
    Lately when I have been browsing some enneagram forums, I have noticed that people are being typed by their outward physical characteristics e.g facial structure, tone of voice, body language, style of clothing etc. The guys who run Enneagram Explorations use this type of system a lot based on extensive research, correlations with outward image and E type. I personally am very sceptical of this kind of typing as the be all end all but I do believe aswell there is an element of truth to it. Do you believe this method to be accurate?
    Hmm, you're looking for manifestations of underlying motivations. I think it would be easier to tell based on what they say and do than physical characteristics. Also asking them specific questions helps. When I'm trying to determine someone's type, I usually try to put their behavior into several different enneagram type contexts and see which one(s) seem to fit and which don't. Spotting the instinct variants is much easier for me, especially a dominant sx instinct.

    Now, spotting MBTI types is much easier. Cognitive functions have clearer external physical manifestations, but not things like face shape or body type. The best indicator is a person's eyes. The eyes behave differently with the different types of information processing associated with the cognitive functions. There are also some type-related mannerisms, though eyes are the most consistent thing to read. If you're interested, take a look at this post and the included video.
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    Unknown

    Hahaha, I asked the Fauvres (on the Enneagram Explorations facebook page) about this. I said I was skeptical but curious. David typed me as a Six based on that alone and said that our language is also indicative of type. Oh, and didn't point me to any research. Hah.

    (Will elaborate later when less busy).
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    I don't know if I would 100% rely on this in any circumstance, but I do think sometimes clothing and physical characteristics such as stance, mood, physicality when they enter a room (many 8's I know "take up a lot of space" when they enter a room, for example). I find certain 4's easy to type based on physical appearance simply because they have such a similar look and habits to someone i know.

    I would always need to actually converse with someone for a while before I would ever take a solid guess on their type. And I stress the world "guess".
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  6. #6
    Type 1w2

    Photo-typing is the dumbest shit imaginable. Any credibility I saw in the Fauvre's works has diminished greatly since I realized that they type people based on their physical features. It's preposterous, utterly and completely illogical. Oh yeah, look at so and so's 'arched' eye brows. That's a type 6 right there (and who cares the woman spent a pretty penny on getting the eyebrows shaped just so). Give me a fuckin break. As for body language, it can provide some clues, but in no way is it an objective and accurate indicator of type by itself (and in combination with 'facial features' and 'vibes'). Anyone who thinks otherwise is incredibly presumptuous, largely ignorant and misguided.

    Here's something the Fauvre's posted on their fb page:
    http://pinterest.com/enneagram/enneagram-type-5/

    Body type, brow bones, strong foreheads as indicators of type? please.
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    I was wondering if someone else would bring this up.

    I am of two minds about it myself. First, I will say that after giving it some thought, I think there's definitely something to it. I think body language and mannerisms are important, and who knows--maybe certain features to correlate to certain personality characteristics, even E-type. I really don't have the information to know that, but I'd like to keep an open mind.

    That said, my first instinct, at least in the case of the Fauvres' work, was that this crossed some sort of line. Judging E-type, and hence personality, by physical appearance alone seems to me to be a slippery slope. It could easily cross over into the territory of experiments run in the late 1800s and early 1900s--like judging which race was "more evolved" by counting the number of beans that would fill the skull, or finding a "criminal type" by superimposing the images of all the prisoners on top of each other. That was my first instinct.

    Also worth noting that, according to my untrained eye, I look for all the world like a 5 according to the Fauvres' images. I do claim a strong connection to 5, but everyone seems to agree that it's not my core type. So, like I said, maybe there is a correlation between certain features and certain personality traits, but facial features are not and should not become the be-all end-all of who and what you are.

    I'll also say this about the Fauvres' work: They've been doing it a long time, and have interviewed thousands upon thousands of people. It's entirely possible in my mind that they truly have developed a real intuition as to what type someone is just by observing for even a few seconds. I don't know how readily that can be transmitted, though...surely a few hard-and-fast rules for the public are not likely to make us all instant E-typers.

    I'd actually be willing to explore this in more depth, but unfortunately they charge more than I will ever be able to afford on my third world salary. I'd be interested to hear from someone who has attended any of the Fauvres' workshops.
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    Type 1w2

    The whole thing is the farthest thing from 'scientifically validated' as they like to claim. In fact, the phototyping crap (which is an important part of their typing process, btw) is very similar to Chinese face reading. And, connecting generic descriptors with physical features (and broader, unfounded, cultural stereotypes [deep gaze=intelligence=type 5]) in order to arrive at something as complex and nuanced as type is patently ridiculous. As I was saying,Fauvres claim that 8s have stocky frames etc and confident 'animalistic' gazes. I get the confident, 'animalistic' part from the typical Enneagram description. The rest is just a commonly held association between a masculine body structure and a stereotypically "masculine" type. The 6s have doubting eyes (right, 'doubting' from 6 descriptions..eyes from well..eyes:P). It's something a 15 year old could easily come up with after browsing a few descriptions online. Only because they've interviewed a thousand people doesn't mean that the correlations they've unearthed would even stand the test of plain ol' common sense (let alone 'scientific testing'). So, @holyrockthrower, don't feel for a second that you're missing out because you can't afford a session yet. A close friend from Perc had a meeting with Katherine, and it seems like they'll get more out of reading Maitri and Naranjo than they did..with the Fauvres. FWIW, Katherine couldn't tell what type my friend was, and asked for a pic. Hmm. Colour me unimpressed.

    I always recommend reading earlier Enneagram authors. :) I could PM you some book suggestions. Getting Naranjo's Character and Neurosis is, not only cheaper, but more helpful than a meeting with the Fauvres'.
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  9. #9
    Type 4w5

    There may be something to getting a vague impression of someone's enneatype based on appearance. But I think you're more likely to see mbti characteristics and do generalized deductions based on that info- which may sometimes be right, but often wrong.

    (eg, the actress in twilight Fauvres type as a four due to her eyes, but I watched a couple interviews of her and based on what she talked about she seemed pretty six-ish to me.)

  10. #10
    Unknown

    Alright, I'm back with the details! Here is the conversation:

    Me:
    How deeply have you studied the correlation between facial features and type? I'm quite skeptical of this, but I'm curious about your findings.
    Also, what type/tritype do I look like? =P
    David:
    Type was original determined by Ichazo from facial features. We have studied it and integrated other research, like Paul Eckmans, etc, for over 20 years. As to your type, I would like to see more pictures and larger. You language use is pure 6 so I am going to take the bait and suggest you are a 6 or have 6 in your Tritype. //David
    Me:
    *Shows 3 pictures of myself*
    Any ideas? Not enough data?
    David:
    We generally charge to do this. Beyond the comments I made early, you would need to book a coaching session or attend a training where we do this with each person by putting their photos up on a screen. As I said, your language use is type 6 and your raised eyebrows and smile are also 6 traits, so if you are not a 6, you likely have it in your Tritype //David
    You look like a 6...and few other types will actually write out "I'm quite skeptical of this, but I'm curious". We all look like and use language like our Type. //David
    The reason I even brought it up in the first place is because they started posting pictures of Barbie dolls and typing them! I think I literally "WTF"ed out loud.

    Also, I would love to see someone MBTI me based on behaviour. Hahahaha.
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