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The 27 Tritype/Archetype Descriptions

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#1 · (Edited)
Okay, people, it's the day you've all been waiting for. Or it would have been the day you've been waiting for if you had known to wait for it. This is a thread for descriptions for each of the 27 archetypes/tritypes. It's a slap-dash compilation of tritype information collected from the Fauvres, Enneagram Institute Discussion Board, and many other miscellaneous sites. It may not be pretty, but it's all in one place for your convenience. Enjoy.

[Edit:] Oh, there's going to be some overlap between the types. If one post pertained to two tritypes, I posted it in both tritypes. Also, some tritypes' descriptions are longer than others. Some are shorter, simply because that's all I could find on them. Some of you will have better fortune than others in this regard.
 
#27 ·
478 – The Messenger Archetype

The 847 is the passionate, cutting edge, innovative, compassionate, freedom seeking, creative, non conformist focused on implementing and manifesting their original vision.

*Most freedom loving--478, 874, 784

sexual 748 is a very flamboyant type...748/847/478 is the most in need of freedom. This is the messenger archetype that feels they have a message to impart and wants the freedom to explore themselves and their external worlds. WIth 7 in charge it's an extremely hard to pin down type, that typically has no problems expressing the flamboyancy this tritype can bring (with 4 in charge the self consciousness can take over, like with myself, and with 8 in charge you get more of a playful 7ish 8, like Pink or Katherine Fauvre). She also said it's the least political of the tritypes (except maybe the 548 tritype) because of the outspoken nature of the three types coming to together (which helps explain why the whole political nature of grad school completely evades me).

478/784/847 Description: If you are the 478, you are intuitive, innovative and straight-forward. You want to be original, inspirational and self-possessed. A cutting-edge tracker of both your internal and external worlds, you are an unconventional, passionate master of solutions. Outwardly, you are confident but inwardly you are emotionally vulnerable. Life Mission: Your life mission is to find truth and communicate your findings. A true messenger, you are happiest when you use your creativity to find compassionate ways to understand yourself and empower others. Blind Spot: You can be so focused on your opinions, insights and what is new and profound that your freedom seeking nature can come across as arrogant, resistant, and/or uncooperative.
That blind spot was huge for me, having everyone in my life nod in agreement when it's read to them was a little hard, I really don't see myself as uncooperative but that's the nature of having a blind spot. My grandmother is a sp7w8 748 and we are very similar, she can seem so adamant about getting her way that it can look extremely childish if she really digs in. However, I try other tactics before getting to that but eventually the boundaries harden and flexibility I normally have completely disintegrates.

847: Intuitive and innovative. Most creative, original and noncomforming 8. Moody, intense, eccentric 8 especially if sx.

874 and 854 are very similar and can be difficult to distinguish as 8 has access to both 7 and 5. What is helpful is to look at the differences between 7 and 5. The most critical aspect engagement. The 7 engages and brings a positive outlook to the 84_. The 5 is more internal and brings more introversion and reserve. The 874 is more outgoing and spontaneous. it is the difference between facts vs activities.

478 and 451 are very different types of 4. The 478 is intensely individualistic and more assertive whereas the 451 is individualistic but much more introspective and reserved. The 478 is somewhat optimistic and focuses more on the need for inspiration than the 451. The 451 is more particular and is more motivated by gathering meaningful information that is useful.
(4)-7-8 - The Aggressive 4
4-(7)-8 - The Reactive 7
4-7-(8) - The idealistic 8

Somewhat manic. Dramatic and somewhat confrontational. Uncontrolled emotions.

eight with a four fix: the moody, loner eight. distinct outsider quality; as if on a highly
personal mission. tendency to feel exempt from conventional rules
and circumstances.

If 478 there is an emphasis on freedom, inspiration and diversity.

This tritype is the most creative type on the enneagram regardless of which type is in charge. This creativity may or may not have artistic talent but always has a sense of aesthetics. All three crave authenticity, depth and individuality,
The 487 craves attention, affirmation and mirroring more than autonomy and freedom. They need to be mirrored as not only unique but highly original. Their greatest demands are those they make of themselves.
The 847 craves autonomy and must be the master and commander of their lives. The 847 does not seek mirroring unless very narcissistic. All narcissistic types demand an undo amount of mirroring to feel safe. The 487 uses the power of indifference when in defense.

847: Intuitive and innovative. Most creative, original and noncomforming 8. Moody, intense, eccentric 8 especially if sx.

784: Direct and intuitive 7. Most independent, original and creative 7. Can be moody. Most non-conforming, and intense 7.

4-7-8 is the most individualistic and fun-loving 4. Appear more self-possessed as sadness is hidden.

For example, if you were an 8-7-4, you would have secondary strategies that are very different than an 8-2-6. The 8-7-4 is a fast paced creative, feelingful and optimistic Type 8 whereas the 8-2-6 is a more cynical, loyal and helpful Type 8.
the 874 is a fast-paced, optimistic, creative, and emotional type 8 whereas the 826 is a more dutiful, loyal and helpful type 8.

874 and 854 are very similar and can be difficult to distinguish as 8 has access to both 7 and 5. What is helpful is to look at the differences between 7 and 5. The most critical aspect engagement. The 7 engages and brings a positive outlook to the 84_. The 5 is more internal and brings more introversion and reserve. The 874 is more outgoing and spontaneous. it is the difference between facts vs activities.

If your primary Type is 8, you might have a Tritype configuration of 8-7-4. The primary Enneagram Type for you would be Type 8, however, this Tritype combination indicates that you would most likely be a strong, positive person who seeks solutions (8), options (7) and meaning (4). What is fascinating is that if the strategy of Type 8 fails to give you the desired results of overcoming obstacles, you would then employ the strategy of Type 7 and then if needed Type 4.

the 748 is a messenger of the new...always ahead of their time...triple creative, innovative doers...no restrictions....must have freedom...original thinkers that follow their own muse and must get the message out.

784--visionary, powerful and aesthetically brilliant, always ahead of the curve

874 tritype feels lighter and more enthusiastic to me, than does the 847 tritype, which feels more like a strike of lightning burrowing into the ground.

Perhaps the tritype is 847 where 7 acts as an ever-running generator, constantly humming underneath the surface. The 7 energy operates more like "monkey mind" than a physically expressed energy.

As an sx 874 I feel called to discover as much as I can about human nature and then share what I learned. Some of my greatest moments of clarity have come during times of great adversity. When I feel grief and loss it always feels personal and I feel separate from others. When I allow the pain and suffering the 8 wants to avoid, I am able to connect to that which is universal and know that all people everywhere understand the meaning of loss. This is when I remember that I am never truly alone or separate

The 458, 468 and 478 are all truth tellers in their own way. The 458 and 478 are their own authorities.

The 847 is more extroverted intuition with the attention going outward. It is a lighter and is more optimistic
 
#28 ·
479 Gentle Spirit Archetype

479

This is the sort of sprite or fairy like tritype. There is a need to remain positive while still searching for meaning. The blindspot is that there is an attraction to magical thinking and missed opportunities to speak their truth so they find themselves glossing over negative feeling states in favor of something more comfortable or positive. When 4 is in charge there's a tendency to not see all the ways in which depression or sadness is evaded through this magical thinking process.

the life mission is that this is the true healer archetype. They are often found doing bodywork or other healing practices as these are the 3 types that have a desire to transform. They like to inspire people toward happiness through expressing their creativity in a peaceful non-intrusive way.

She said this is the most lyrical type, a sort of ethereal archetype (so is the 459 but it is a more withdrawn ethereal quality, almost wispy and ghost like) whereas the energy here is lighter and more impish or I think when it's a male energy you get a strong trickster archetype (like dfgray). Playful yet meaningful. Very idealistic (although not quite as idealistic as the 471) but still concerned with maintaining positivity and feelings of being up. I think Regina Spektor is an example of this archetype with 4 in charge.

I'm actually put off by the idea of being in a "healing profession", though there's a strong likelihood that 7-4-9 is my tritype. I guess it's a reluctance to mix energies with society at large, or something of that nature. I wouldn't want to be in a profession where I constantly had to touch people. I'm not a cold person, I just wouldn't want a day filled with people-touching, if that makes sense.
EDIT: Oh, also, I would have to say "reluctant to show anything negative" is not such a likely descriptor for me.
Katherine said the 479 (749, 947) all took some kind of issue with the term "healer", even if they were in healing professions or were attracted to it. She was wondering what it was about that term that was off-putting, so what you've shared above is interesting (from a 7 perspective).
She said this is the gentle soul tritype that has a healing presence on others whether or not they intend to so when she says healer this is what she means as opposed to being vocationally attracted to the healing arts (although this is very common with this tritype).

I think for me when I was deciding between 479 and 478 I realized that my tendency to push, and shake up overrides my tendency to calm down. Although I can do both. I ultimately didn't end up going into counseling because I am a.) too impatient b.) too bossy and directive and c.) need to have more freedom to invite change than that discipline can allow.

So while I consider myself attracted to healing, and am interested in healing arts (energy healing, reiki, etc). I want to manifest it through a more intense and provocative way. Something that shakes people up in order to invite growth and development.

When 8 replaces the 9 you get more of a sense of groundedness or at least more practicality and realism that can seem a little harder edged and less lyrical.

For me there's less of a tendency toward optimism for the sake of being positive or keeping it light, although I don't like for things to get too serious, but if things need to be serious than I'm willing to go there. It's more of an if it's ugly, let's look at it. I actually struggle with that within myself; needing to see it if it's ugly (4 and 5 wing) with a propensity toward evasiveness and denial (with the 7 and 8) it's a strange mixture. Katherine says with 9 it (whatever "it" may be) must be transmuted into something lyrical, beautiful or playful to be tolerable.

you are very identified with the defense of optimism and tend to hid your more painful feelings and pessimism for fear of being rejected. you see the wonder in beauty and are gentle, lyrical, and idealistic in the way you relate to others. you are attracted to the healing profession or arts.
your life mission is to identify what is truly meaningful in life and help people transform negative feeling into positive change. a true gentle spirit, you feel happiest when you have creative expression to reconnect with your innermost self and facilitate change.
your blind spot is that you can be so focused on ideal circumstances that you become trapped in magical thinking and fail to speak your higher truth and act in accordance with your true feelings.
your growing edge is to speak your truth even if it will create conflict with others. going along to get along or to keep things light and upbeat denies the truth of the moment and can cause you to become distant from yourself. higher love has a voice and true joy is not dependent on the image of being happy.

This tritype [927] is the most identified with seeing themselves as peaceful. More than any other tritype, they need peace and positive relating to experience a sense of being... so are extremely uncomfortable with negativity in relationships. The 479 doesn't like it but expects it.

4 and 7 together combine to create a sense of the creative, intuitive, magical and imaginative. The gut type determines the flavor. 479s are elegant, wispy and ethereal. When 4 is dominant the 4 is reluctant to show their edgy, more negative emotions. The emphasis is on having an image that is deep but not seen as difficult. Suffering is more private.

The 749 is the 7 that is the most elusive, liquid and fluid. They are positive in a gentle way with a touch of sadness. They are identified with being deep but still future oriented and forward moving whereas the 479 is identified with past and what is missing and believed to be of importance.

The 947 usually thinks that they are the 4 as they see life as bittersweet and feel deeply but they are not as intense as the 4 or as hungry for diversity and experience as the 7. The 947 and 974 seek harmonic resonance more than the the 479 or 794. They want depth and beauty but seek peace and tranquility more. They pine in a quiet gentle manner. They lack voltage...and struggle with naming their preferences in the face of adversity. Think of Dr Zhivago as an archetype of the 947. The 479, 749 and 947 are all very gentle and nostalgic.

If you have the sexual instinct as dominant you could easily identify with 974. The 972 is less ethereal and more focused on being positive. The 974 knows that they feel unhappy, they are more inclined to hide so that they will not be rejected for being negative.

All of the 79 combinations are somewhat positive. The 279 is focused on being pleasant. The 379 the most positive. The 479 Is positive outwardly but doesn't always feel it.

The 479 report that they feat that if they show negative emotions they might be rejected.

The 479 with 4 dominant feels devastated by negative mirroring. If a flaw is pointed out if feels disheartening. With negative feedback, the 479 will have trouble holding on to their sense of self... Self esteem suffers as the 479's sens of self is too fluid and takes the shape of the last mirror.

For the most part, 479s like to be in the healing/helping professions where they have the opportunity to use their intuition and creativity.

The 471 and the 479 are both focused on the vision, creativity and the magical. The difference is in the gut center. The 471 has 3 types with access to 1, so are very critical of themselves and feel they must manifest the vision. The 479 is less strident and more soft-spoken and gentle. They are dreamers and intuit but can be shy about pushing to manifest.

9s fear being in conflict. 479 vs 469. Look at the level of confidence and optimism. The 7 brings a light touch with magical thinking, hoping for the best. In contrast, the 6 brings support and loyalty. Both are highly intuitive but the 469 has more doubts - The 479 is more future oriented, focusing on the possibilities. The 469 is more dutiful with a heavier heart, fearing that they can't make enough of a difference.

479 do not realize how healing their gentle nature can be. Your life mission is to identify what is truly meaningful in life and help people transform negative feeling into positive change.
The 479 is more inclined to side step, make nice, and try to get along as conflict feel unbearable.


If you are a 479, you are intuitive, innovative and accepting. You want to be original, positive and peaceful. You are very identified with the defense of optimism and tend to hide your more painful feelings and pessimism for fear of being rejected. You see the wonder in beauty and are gentle, lyrical and idealistic in the way you relate to others.

Inwardly they feel a lot of intensity, especially if they are the sexual instinct. identification is with gentleness and can feel uncomfortable if they share something negative.

479 and 379 I have deemed the "cool guy" tritypes. When 4 is there you get that sort of archetype of the cool artist, laid back, playful, witty, but with a sort of "hidden sorrow". You sense there is more there but that they are keeping you at bay in order to avoid dipping too much into the swamp.
7-4-9 (and the variations thereof) would have a goodly dose of magical thinking. Tending to overdose (in some form) on imagination and whim.

If you knew just how off-base the names 'Healer' and 'Gentle Spirit' are for the 9-4-7 tritype, and how slanted the name 'Ambassador' is for the 9-3-7 (or as you imply 9-4-7 with a very heavy Three wing), how pronounced the narcissistism and exhibitionism of these two tritypes can be, you might perhaps not be so eager to identify with them. Also, the challenge to feel grounded in the physical world, or at least in one's own physicality, is part of the Nine itself, not to mention the Four.

--'a more abandoning and erratic 9. An insatiable and emotionally discriminating 9.':
I'm 974 and others wouldn't describe me as 'erratic' (nor would I). I think 'abandoning and erratic' comes from your so/sx stack, which comes through as a loud note, to me, in your posts.

As for "insatiable and emotionally discriminating", I think this also taps your stack. Your so/sx-ness brings forward the more gregarious aspect of the 7 in your tritype, which manifests as a more-extroverted interplay with those in your presence - though I'm not saying you're an extrovert - there's just more desire for inclusion there. For me (sp/sx), the 7 in my tritype shows up more exclusively as "private mental fun", with only a small interest in "sharing the good times with y'all".

The 4 (in my tritype) shows up as a focus on aesthetics (including a pretty high degree of full-on snobbery in that area), plus life-long issues with depression and feelings of being valueless.

479 - Innovative and accepting 4. Most positive 4. May have defense of optimism hiding pessimism as sadness is hidden.

Also, both sevens and nines have a tendency to want to avoid dealing with negative situations for different reasons...with 7-9-4, I'd guess there would be a lot more denial than the usual 7, but with 4 in there it couldn't be kept up for as long, so there might be cycles of denial-and-crash. There would probably be more underlying self-doubt than is normally found in seven, as well as using the withdrawing defense a bit more.

Yeah, I think seven brings a mild denial through optimism...and then nines tend to get into a bit of denial, because of their desire to avoid conflict/upsetting their equilibrium, so if nine were one of your tritypes, you'd probably have a bit of the "optimistic denial" of 7, but a bit of the "I don't want to deal with this" denial of 9, as well. By contrast, an 8 tritype would probably be more of a sobering influence on the seven, and 1 would probably add a bit of criticality and increased perfectionism (also making for a triple frustration type, with the 4 and 7...but probably less likely due to what you said about the "live and let live" approach to people.)

Cate Blanchet could be a 4. I see the 479 or 471 tritype...ethereal one moment strident the next. But there is a gentleness in her energy that seems more 479.

(4)-7-9 - The Positive 4
4-(7)-9 - The Withdrawn 7
4-7-(9) - The idealistic 9

A dreamer in every sense of the word. They love to go on flights of imagination, and dream up fantasy worlds. They may often find themselves disappointed in the real world however.

974: intuitive and innovative 9. Most creative 9, especially with an 8 wing (i would think 1 wing here). Tends to be moody. Extraverted 7ish.

As a 9-4-7, I value emotion in a 4-ish way. But the valuing seems once-removed in relation to my 9-ness. It's a belief (about emotion), and though beliefs affect behavior and attitude, in the case of the secondary tritype elements, they're not as reflexive as the response from the primary type.

The 479 is more gentle...and more ethereal. The 479 displays congenial attitudes and hides their feelings of anger for fear of being rejected. The 469 is more phobic than the 468. The 479 seems more easy going as they are more conflict-avoidant. They can demonstrate the outbursts of the sexual 4 when there is a threat to intimacy but feel terrible shame as their identity is built around being gentle and kind. The 468 feels more inclined to be the truth teller at all costs so they take greater risks.

As 4 is dominant, in addition to seeing themselves as intuitive and deep with a need for beauty and aesthetics....The 479s see themselves as loving, innovative and gentle, the 468 as intense and iconoclastic and the 469 as thoughtful and introspective.
 
#522 ·
479 Gentle Spirit Archetype

479

This is the sort of sprite or fairy like tritype. There is a need to remain positive while still searching for meaning. The blindspot is that there is an attraction to magical thinking and missed opportunities to speak their truth so they find themselves glossing over negative feeling states in favor of something more comfortable or positive. When 4 is in charge there's a tendency to not see all the ways in which depression or sadness is evaded through this magical thinking process.

the life mission is that this is the true healer archetype. They are often found doing bodywork or other healing practices as these are the 3 types that have a desire to transform. They like to inspire people toward happiness through expressing their creativity in a peaceful non-intrusive way.

She said this is the most lyrical type, a sort of ethereal archetype (so is the 459 but it is a more withdrawn ethereal quality, almost wispy and ghost like) whereas the energy here is lighter and more impish or I think when it's a male energy you get a strong trickster archetype (like dfgray). Playful yet meaningful. Very idealistic (although not quite as idealistic as the 471) but still concerned with maintaining positivity and feelings of being up. I think Regina Spektor is an example of this archetype with 4 in charge.

I'm actually put off by the idea of being in a "healing profession", though there's a strong likelihood that 7-4-9 is my tritype. I guess it's a reluctance to mix energies with society at large, or something of that nature. I wouldn't want to be in a profession where I constantly had to touch people. I'm not a cold person, I just wouldn't want a day filled with people-touching, if that makes sense.
EDIT: Oh, also, I would have to say "reluctant to show anything negative" is not such a likely descriptor for me.
Katherine said the 479 (749, 947) all took some kind of issue with the term "healer", even if they were in healing professions or were attracted to it. She was wondering what it was about that term that was off-putting, so what you've shared above is interesting (from a 7 perspective).
She said this is the gentle soul tritype that has a healing presence on others whether or not they intend to so when she says healer this is what she means as opposed to being vocationally attracted to the healing arts (although this is very common with this tritype).

I think for me when I was deciding between 479 and 478 I realized that my tendency to push, and shake up overrides my tendency to calm down. Although I can do both. I ultimately didn't end up going into counseling because I am a.) too impatient b.) too bossy and directive and c.) need to have more freedom to invite change than that discipline can allow.

So while I consider myself attracted to healing, and am interested in healing arts (energy healing, reiki, etc). I want to manifest it through a more intense and provocative way. Something that shakes people up in order to invite growth and development.

When 8 replaces the 9 you get more of a sense of groundedness or at least more practicality and realism that can seem a little harder edged and less lyrical.

For me there's less of a tendency toward optimism for the sake of being positive or keeping it light, although I don't like for things to get too serious, but if things need to be serious than I'm willing to go there. It's more of an if it's ugly, let's look at it. I actually struggle with that within myself; needing to see it if it's ugly (4 and 5 wing) with a propensity toward evasiveness and denial (with the 7 and 8) it's a strange mixture. Katherine says with 9 it (whatever "it" may be) must be transmuted into something lyrical, beautiful or playful to be tolerable.

you are very identified with the defense of optimism and tend to hid your more painful feelings and pessimism for fear of being rejected. you see the wonder in beauty and are gentle, lyrical, and idealistic in the way you relate to others. you are attracted to the healing profession or arts.
your life mission is to identify what is truly meaningful in life and help people transform negative feeling into positive change. a true gentle spirit, you feel happiest when you have creative expression to reconnect with your innermost self and facilitate change.
your blind spot is that you can be so focused on ideal circumstances that you become trapped in magical thinking and fail to speak your higher truth and act in accordance with your true feelings.
your growing edge is to speak your truth even if it will create conflict with others. going along to get along or to keep things light and upbeat denies the truth of the moment and can cause you to become distant from yourself. higher love has a voice and true joy is not dependent on the image of being happy.

This tritype [927] is the most identified with seeing themselves as peaceful. More than any other tritype, they need peace and positive relating to experience a sense of being... so are extremely uncomfortable with negativity in relationships. The 479 doesn't like it but expects it.

4 and 7 together combine to create a sense of the creative, intuitive, magical and imaginative. The gut type determines the flavor. 479s are elegant, wispy and ethereal. When 4 is dominant the 4 is reluctant to show their edgy, more negative emotions. The emphasis is on having an image that is deep but not seen as difficult. Suffering is more private.

The 749 is the 7 that is the most elusive, liquid and fluid. They are positive in a gentle way with a touch of sadness. They are identified with being deep but still future oriented and forward moving whereas the 479 is identified with past and what is missing and believed to be of importance.

The 947 usually thinks that they are the 4 as they see life as bittersweet and feel deeply but they are not as intense as the 4 or as hungry for diversity and experience as the 7. The 947 and 974 seek harmonic resonance more than the the 479 or 794. They want depth and beauty but seek peace and tranquility more. They pine in a quiet gentle manner. They lack voltage...and struggle with naming their preferences in the face of adversity. Think of Dr Zhivago as an archetype of the 947. The 479, 749 and 947 are all very gentle and nostalgic.

If you have the sexual instinct as dominant you could easily identify with 974. The 972 is less ethereal and more focused on being positive. The 974 knows that they feel unhappy, they are more inclined to hide so that....

I wonder why this post has so much negative... not all of us are afraid of "showing" bad emotions because we are "afraid" of being rejected, so many of these posts speak of the un-grown, un-world-seen, adolescent or even hurt and upset states of people, that others who are just sensitive and reading in an attempt to reconnect with themselves after a painful experience, or a loss of identity tend to feel a pang of pain when these things are "stated" so nonchalantly

report that they feat that if they show negative emotions they might be rejected
If a flaw is pointed out if feels disheartening. With negative feedback, the 479 will have trouble holding on to their sense of self... Self esteem suffers as the 479's sens of self is too fluid and takes the shape of the last mirror.
it's almost like we aren't people, but test subjects that resulted in these "observations" which "describe" this type. This is so un-human, and honestly depressing for any of the type to read, without having to "accept their flaws" which many probably already have, have worked on them, and are experiencing a range of emotions ranging from "WTF this shiz is messed up" to "meh", but human touch is important when speaking to humans, or you might as well speak to a wall, this is all the more important because this is an Internet forum, available to everyone online, and typing "479 tritype" brings this up in the topmost search result.

Not everyone especially those who're a 479 are looking their type online to discover "scientific research" on themselves, some of them are just looking to "mirror" so they can get back to themselves after a traumatic event, they could be spared the trauma of having to read through their flaws, again.

I'm sure this applies to other types as well. Not discrediting the author, I'm sure he/she spent several hours/minutes/days working on the post, and only meant to share the truth as is, with its "flaws" and all, I just think it is more important to be considerate.

For example, a 369 or a 379 reading about a 479 might not react the same way as the 479 would, reading about themselves, presented in a "scientific" "this is it" manner, nor would they, 479, feel the same way reading about another, as much as the post is educational, it also needs to be considerate, and not "all inclusive" simply because not everyone are at the

The 479 report that
state, and this is important for the sake of 479s and others like me who come here and get upset by the non human descriptions of their type, especially when this is the top of the list and possibly the only resource available online on these subjects, I'm not saying we should take responsibility for everyone, though that is exactly what I'm saying we should, I'm just saying that if one person cannot do it, someone else must step in, for the sake of those affected. I'm not making this personal, though I said so, I'm simply saying that there is a possibility, like it just happened, that this could be the only resource available to someone, to make sense of their circumstances, and find themselves.

Wow, this quickly got personal, and I'm not "evading" because I fear being rejected, but because it simply isn't the point, what good is there in going "ME" when there are "OTHERS", though this "IS" "ME", I am so, "OTHERS", but "I" am NOT JUST "ME" nor is "EVERYONE" "ME", but "I" am, so "OTHERS", and the anxiety exists for these reasons, because everyone and everything is through "ME", hence the mirroring. But "I" am NOT "EVERYTHING".

I mean, I am, so others, but I am not "anxious" to speak about things that are "negative" because I fear rejection, it's because I see no point, when life simply cannot exist without light, then why speak about darkness, because you are alive, and light is what you need, without light, you are no life, and you will have no problems, but the problem in itself, is that you lack light, or you possess too much of it, but know that if you chose the path of darkness, damn, I went "I should so write a book" and lost the flow, but I think you see the picture-ish, that path just makes no sense, because it is essentially against life, how are you alive, if you "choose" darkness? And if you are alive, then how are you dark? You simply have chosen to move away from light, but you are essentially still filled with life.

In Vedic Astrology, there is this thing (nakshatras) where they classify you in 3 categories "God", "Human", "Devil", I think "Demon" is more appropriate because "Devil" is like "The One", the absolute, the king, point is, they classify people into three types (and it FORKING works) where "God"s are those with an excess of light, they live in the light, they "give" light, and they just always live and love excess "light", you know, the good life, but generous and benevolent, like if that dude in Star Wars, the kind and generous rich guy, only remember a face, but nothing else, if he, and some robes I think desert ones, or I'm making this up (lol) , but I think he had a beard, mustache plus goatee, trimmed, darker skinned, just became a king, that would perfectly describe the "God" type of people, full of light, and much to give, though not all necessarily preposterously (I think) benevolently excessive,

"Humans" are kinda in the middle, they have a balance of both, and they are as full of life as they are empty, half full/empty people, they give and they take, they love excess when it happens and they love silence and demon traits which I will explain in the demon section, basically they take, as much as they give, though they don't make a fuss about it, unless you don't give, and then they go Vader on yo ass, and psych (force I mean) choke the stuff out a ya, while the "God"s would just be meh whatev, take some more yaay, yo, peace, excess, love, yahl, Yanni (I think xD)

"Demons" on the other hand are the ones that are full of darkness, or lack light, they prefer to conquer, achieve, take, to work with the dark arts, Snape maybe? But they are not "dark" or "darkness", they just lack enough light to "give", life to them, involves "sanctity" or "taking", it's either or, they will either Vader the crap outta you, or just Snape, Lily probably was a "light" ("God"), or a "human", and Snape loved her light, but George (right? Daddy?) stepped in and stole her light, and he became the defense against the dark arts (potions) master,

Look it up, it's pretty interesting try the calculator here,

Vedic Astrology Chart Calculator

scroll down and find your "Gana" from the "Planetary Details" under "Moon"('s) "Nakshatra"

and find your "type" ("Gana") as per this numbering (image)

Deva = God
Manushya = Human
Rakshasa = Demon

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Like wow, I SO not started this post expecting (to end) (at) this.

Also, I think Luke's a "Manushya" ("Human"), what do you think?
 
#32 ·
You're welcome! :) I just did it while watching TV anyway. Yay for multi-tasking!
 
#30 ·
Hello everyone

Newbie needs help: I think I may be a Type 4
My highest score juggles between 4 and 5
Closely, as in only 2 scores of a difference from the highest, followed by 6 and 9. I read that there are only meant to be 3 definite types so how do I find out my tri-type?
 
#31 ·
I would really recommend determining your core type first, before you determine your tritype. The two other types in the tritype are meant to feed your core type. I would say read up on type 4 and 5, and not just the descriptions. There's a wealth of information in this forum, spread all around. Read about the triads, the fears, the core motivations, etc. You can always find something to relate to in each type. But when I found my type, it was like a punch in the gut. I don't know if other people experienced something similar. Anyway, the tests are no good, except for pointing you in a general direction. You have to do some research, and now you have a few types to look into and see how you click.

As for finding out your tritype, you have one type from each triad or center: the Gut center (8, 9, 1), the Image center (2, 3, 4), and the Head center (5, 6, 7). And the type you choose tells you how you deal with the core issue of each center. For example, I'm 9-3-5. When I exhaust the strategies of 9, my wing, and my lines of integration, I'll move to 5 or 3; I become a very aloof 9, influenced by the 5; I become very focused on getting the "job" done, so to speak, an all-business, no-nonsense 9...this latter mode of mine made me think for a while that I was 358, and I relate to that archetype a lot. But I didn't know my core type yet. The process of finding your tritype could help you if you're still stumped on your core type, but hopefully that's not the case for you, as it was for me. As a 9, I related to almost everything except 9, go figure.
 
#34 ·
Here I got all excited and the most I get for a 9-5-3 tritype is two lines of text, or did I miss something? Or is it that the tritype is rare perhaps? Oh well, it's not like a description is the most important thing to discovering myself anyway.

Great job compiling all of this information by the way, I can imagine it took quite some time.
 
#35 ·
Thanks!

As for the rarity of 953, I wouldn't say it's a rare type. I would say that it's not a popular type. From my observations, in the personality/enneagram internet community in general, everyone wants to be a 4 or a 8, probably because of some romanticizing delusions about what those types are really like, and no one really wants to be a primary type (3-6-9), because let's face it, they suck lol. In fact, all the Enneagram types suck, because they get at our root fears and expose what we want to keep hidden from ourselves. I know I certainly did not want to be a 9, because it sucked; it hit too close to home. The primary types are more blatant about this, while the romantic image of 4 or the powerful stereotype of 8 appeals to people, because IMO that's how people want to be viewed by others or by themselves. Therefore, those are the tritypes that are discussed the most.

When it comes to the individual ordering of the tritypes, it was really hit or miss on the amount that I found. I wish I could have found more, especially since 953 is my tritype as well. But keep in mind that most of the time when it says "359", it's referring to the overall archetype, which is the umbrella term for all the various orderings (359, 395, 593, 539, 935, 953). So while it may not be the ordering that you identify with (or what others may identify with for their individual tritypes), my hope was that you would find something to relate to in the archetype, because we are sorely lacking in the tritype description department.

While I can't focus on it right now because of school work, I'm going to go back and see if I can dig up anymore information, or perhaps write some of my own. Perhaps, PerC members can get a collaboration going. That's another hope that I had in posting this thread.
 
#36 ·
This is very interesting. I've officially found my tritype.

The 845 is the somewhat introverted, intelligent, headstrong, detached, hyper introspective problem solver with strategic thinking and emotional astuteness.

I originally thought myself to be 8-4-6, but I didn't relate much to the descriptions I had seen, so I looked at other possibilities.

Almost everything this says about the 458 is me, and I am an sx variant as well.

Though I'm sure that if I looked at any tritype, I could see something in it resembling me, the 458 is very accurate.

Thank you for posting this.
 
#41 ·
I managed to get through most of tritypes, and I am amused at how a lot of these descriptions are just a compilations of stereotypes of three types jammed together. I was reading through my tritype ("The Ambassador"...haha) and it was obvious that what the description amounted to was a simple formula of success-oriented 3 + free-spirited energetic 7 + peace-loving 9 = triple-positive, free-spirited, peace-loving hippy *dances barefoot around the spring maypole*. I've never really been impressed by a lot of tritype descriptions, and the ones I have come from individuals who have direct knowledge of how their fixes affect them personally so you get a detailed picture of how each fix manifests in an individual, rather than some cute but trite copy-and-paste description.
 
#42 ·
I definitely agree. It is a trend I noticed while compiling all this stuff. This is why I refuse to buy the Fauvres' book, which is what they told me to do after I asked them about my tri-type. "Q: What is the 3-7-1 like? A: This is a type that likes to be efficient in a fun and principled way." That tells me nothing. It gets to be very frustrating, and I have come to the conclusion that to understand tri-types, one must understand each of the 9 types. Once you really understand the types individually, then you can understand how they would interact.

I'd really like others to post how their fixes affect them personally, as you said, to give balance to the descriptions I posted here.
 
#44 ·
I agree with @Harley and @madhatter

I am a 5-4-1. People who know me well in real life would attest to this. The 5 and 4 traits are almost tied so it has been difficult for me to discern which is my core.

This tritype in myself looks something like this: A longing loner who is DEEPLY passionate yet externally looks like an ice queen. There is a battle between the 5 and 4 that creates great difficulty for my pysche. The 5 in me yearns for independence, to be totally self-sufficient and to be left alone so I can enjoy my thoughts. The 5 in me is greedy and wants life on my terms...my space, my rules, my time, my money, my stuff...get out and let me be. The 4 in me craves union with another who can appreciate the beauty in the art of life that surrounds us. I don't especially have a desire to feel unique, I know I am unique but in a very lonely way.

People with the 4/5 dominance probably struggle with the mind/heart dichotomy. Rather than being able to blend the two, they become two separate entities i.e. "This moment I need to use my heart, now I need to use my mind and never the twain shall meet". It has a feeling of the mind and heart being enemies that have agreed to keep the peace as long as each leaves the other alone. I have been at both healthy levels and unhealthy levels. At unhealthy levels I believe suicide is quite inevitable. The dissonance is just too profound...the mind and heart rally and end up destroying one another and as a result, take the body down.

The 1 is quite apparent in this tritype, I think. When you have the mind and heart battling it out, inevitably they will exhaust and the gut instinct takes charge. There is nothing like the superego of a type 1 to grab the wheel in chaos. What is "right" and what is "ethical" must be upheld with a passion and clarity unmatched. *Hopefully it will be for the good because I can see someone of this type with evil motives commanding an army "for the cause"*

Overall, the tritype descriptions are lame. I agree, they take one personality trait from each fix and throw them together in whichever order the tri happens to be and voila here you are. Reminds me of horoscopes in a way and I certainly don't like having the wool pulled over my eyes.

My version of 5-4-1: march to their own drummer, loner, cerebral, sensitive, unique view of the world, honest, deep thinker
 
#45 ·
Overall, the tritype descriptions are lame. I agree, they take one personality trait from each fix and throw them together in whichever order the tri happens to be and voila here you are. Reminds me of horoscopes in a way and I certainly don't like having the wool pulled over my eyes.

My version of 5-4-1: march to their own drummer, loner, cerebral, sensitive, unique view of the world, honest, deep thinker

Yeah, it took me a long time to realize I was a core 9 due to overly neat and contrived descriptions. Apparently 9 sx can be quite different than 9 sp (which is the "typical" 9 described)... plus, I have a strong 4 fix that skews a lot of the 9 traits.

Maybe we should all try to write our own tritype descriptions (for our own tritypes) and compile them into a thread.
 
#52 ·
268 – The Rescuer Archetype

This type is characterized by the issues they have with others. They tend to get easily frustrated with others. They want help others but they also want things to go their way. They have a 'let me help you' quality.

268, 682, 826 - The Rescuer: By nature, you want to be in charge of your world and are attracted to the noble cause. You wish to shield others from harm and challenge what is unjust. You want to know the rules to feel safe to break them. Your life mission is to track the needs of the vulnerable and take action on their behalf. A true rescuer, you are happiest when you can use your people skills and desire to protect others to help those that feel alone, desperate and are in a crisis. Your blind spot is that you can be so identified with the pride of knowing how to help others that you may give unsolicited advice or meddle in the affairs of others. You over-give to others to be well-liked, which prevents a deeper connection to your true self. Your growing edge is to recognize that always rescuing others does not mean that you will always be liked and cared for in return, and that it may prevent them from learning how to care for themselves. True protection comes from listening to higher guidance and knowing when to assist others and when to let them learn for themselves.



269 and 268 are even more distinctively different. Both are helpful but there is nothing passive about the 268. The 269 is the gentle person archetype. The 268 is very take charge and is the true rescuer, EMT, helping the disadvantaged archetype. The 2 is connected to 8 already so if 8 is in the Tritype this Tritype may at first think that they are an 8.

I don't know at all how any specific three types--2/6/8 in this case-- act synergistically. But I do know that each of these at average to lower levels is very controlling in interpersonal relationships, very domineering (including the 6 due to the sx/so), highly reactive, and also explosive when they feel they aren't getting back what they 'deserve'. So my assumption was the obvious: that the synergy would lead to someone controlling to the point of suffocation and high drama.
Okay... yeah, that's me. Tritype 2-6-8 :D
 
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#55 ·
Madhatter, Do you know of anyone (besides me!) who is interested in having conversations around the opportunity and the trap that the Enneagram is?

I see great potential for the E as a tool for Transformation ... AND ... a great potential for ensnaring people in another limited box.

Sincerely,

Dr. David Kamnitzer
 
#56 ·
I would think any regulars in the Enneagram forum here would be interested in a good discussion of the Enneagram.
 
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#65 ·
Sure! I would think so. I know the description leans more to the phobic side, but all 6s are in some way counterphobic and phobic (kind of on a continuum). So I don't see why a 649 couldn't be cp. 6 and 4 are also reactive types, so that might lend some assertiveness.
 
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#66 ·
Found some tritype flashcards. Rather simplistic, but I thought I'd add them here nonetheless:

The Mentor 125
-Diligent/Ethical
-Caring/Helpful
-Knowledgable/Wise
-You are very idealistic and see what needs to be and the simple/effective way to do it. You are intensely private but care about people. You seek practical systems and procedures to measure results and effectiveness.

The Supporter 126
-Diligent/Ethical
-Caring/Helpful
-Inquisitive/Supportive
-Highly responsible and cooperative, you are most comfortable whrn you do things by the books and know what to expect. Focused on the needs and concerns of others, you seek ways to be of service.

The Teacher 127
-Diligent/Ethical
-Caring/Helpful
-Innovative/Inspired
-Engaging, fun loving, and outgoing, you want to be with people. You seek fun with a purpose, needing goals as well as time to play and celebrate. You love discovering new things and sharing what you learn with others.

The Technical Expert 135
-Diligent/Ethical
-Focused/Efficient
-Knowledgable/Wise
-Highly rational, you seek systems and procedures. Detail oriented, you like mathematic concepts and finding ways to breakdown and understand complex material. You are very precise and good with your hands.

The Taskmaster 136
-Diligent/Ethical
-Focused/Efficient
-Inquisitive/Dutiful
-Highly industrious and responsible, you are focused on achievement. You feel obligated to be orderly and create a successful image as dictated by society. Most importantly, you focus on your duty and finding certainty.

The Systems Builder 137
-Diligent/Ethical
-Focused/Efficient
-Innovative/Upbeat
-You are self-motivated and want to achieve your goals in a positive and effective way. You want to do your best and want to look good doing it. You focus on success and seek ways to measure it.

The Researcher 145
-Diligent/Ethical
-Intuitive/Original
-Knowledgeable/Wise
-Highly intellectual, you are focused on what you perceive is correct and beyond reproach. Research oriented, you seek and quote the opinions of experts to avoid being uncertain and seen as ignorant.

The Philosopher 146
-Diligent/Ethical
-Intuitive/Original
-Inquisitive/Certain
-Morally focused, you have strong emotions and are inclined to voice your feelings and intuitions. You care deeply and want to help others improve their lives and the expectations they have of themselves.

The Visionary 147
-Diligent/Ethical
-Intuitive/Original
-Innovative/Positive
-You are passionate and idealistic. You want to make a difference in the world and see the many possible approaches to different situations. Perfectionistic, you strive to create the standards that improve lives.
 
#67 ·
The Strategist 258
-Caring/Helpful
-Knowledgable/Wise
-Protective/Straight Forward
-Highly sensitive, you are an empathetic and intellectual "people person". You are both introverted and extroverted and can be direct and easily move toward others, but also over give and pull away to recharge.

The Problem Solver 259
-Caring/Helpful
-Knowledgable/Wise
-Accepting/Peaceful
-You have a very shy, gentle and reserved nature that focuses on what is harmonious. You need companionship and avoid feelings of loneliness by focusing on the needs and concerns of others.

The Rescuer 268
-Caring/Helpful
-Supportive/Engaging
-Protective/Straightforward
-By nature, you want to be in charge of your world and are attracted to noble causes. You wish to shield others from harm and challenge what is unjust. You want to know the rules so that you feel safe breaking them.

The Good Samaritan 269
-Caring/Helpful
-Supportive/Engaging
-Accepting/Peaceful
-You like people and want to find ways to engage with them. Your sense of pride comes from getting along with others and being of assistance. You are known for your easygoing and friendly disposition.

The Free Spirit 278
-Caring/Helpful
-Innovative/Loving
-Protective/Straightforward
-You are assertive, funny, and outgoing You like to use your charming and sunny disposition to create an upbeat, positive, and action-packed environment. You are also very nurturing to those in your circle of care.

The Peacemaker 279
-Caring/Helpful
-Innovative/Loving
-Accepting/Peaceful
-You are very kind and tend to see the best in others. You focus on easy and comfortable ways of relating. Very optimistic and positive, you hate conflict and strife, and use your sense of humor to smooth out differences.
 
#68 ·
The Solution Master 358
-Ambitious/Efficient
-Knowledgeable/Wise
-Protective/Straightforward
-Tough-minded, you are good at studying a problem and finding both original and practical solutions others miss. Highly tenacious, you work tirelessly until you find solutions and prevail against adversity.

The Thinker 359
-Ambitious/Efficient
-Knowledgeable/Wise
-Accepting/Peaceful
-Intellectual and clever, you find amenable and pleasant ways to manage difficult situations and relationships. Often shy, you are slow to fully trust others and need time to more fully reveal yourself.

The Justice Fighter 368
-Ambitious/Efficient
-Inquisitive/Loyal
-Protective/Straightforward
-Verbally adept and a good reader of people and situations, you have the ability to identify unjust authority, rebel against tyranny and verbally spar against it.

The Mediator 369
-Ambitious/Efficient
-Inquisitive/Loyal
-Accepting/Peaceful
-You seek balance and harmony. You want to know what is expected of you and will adjust your behavior to succeed. You need affirmation, reassurance and a sense of wellbeing to feel connected to yourself and others.

The Mover-Shaker 378
-Ambitious/Efficient
-Innovative/Happy
-Protective/Straightforward
-You are a dynamic go-getter, focused on the prize. An expansive powerhouse, you see the big picture and a positive future, with the will to make it happen. Seeking success, obstacles are seen as competitive challenges.

The Ambassador 379
-Ambitious/Efficient
-Innovative/Happy
-Accepting/Peaceful
-You like people and are outgoing even if you are shy. You are easygoing and seek comfort but strive for success and a feeling of personal importance. You are identified with what you do and achieve, but are soft, gentle, and kind.

The Scholar 458
-Intuitive/Original
-Knowledgable/Wise
-Protective/Straightforward
-You study what makes people tick and form strong opinions about what you learn. Somewhat introverted, you are identified with being an intuitive/strategic thinker and see interconnections that others may miss.

The Contemplative 459
-Intuitive/Original
-Knowledgable/Wise
-Accepting/Peaceful
-Highly self-aware and reflective, you are very shy, reserved and self-conscious. You need regular quiet time to reflect on your thoughts and emotions. Easily flooded with emotion, it is difficult for you to voice your ideas and feelings to others.

The Truth Teller 468
-Intuitive/Original
-Inquisitive/Certain
-Protective/Straightforward
-You are highly sensitive and emotional. You track inconsistencies and are like the "canary in the coal mine," calling out hidden agendas, deception, and ulterior motives. You are very intense and can at times be emotional and over reactive.

The Seeker 469
-Intuitive/Original
-Inquisitive/Certain
-Accepting/Peaceful
-You are very sensitive and can experience intense feeling of self-doubt and uncertainty. As a result you need multiple sources of confirmation. You want to be individualistic but can fear being separate from others to avoid confrontation.

The Messenger 478
-Intuitive/Original
-Innovative/Creative
-Protective/Straightforward
-A cutting-edge tracker of both your internal and external worlds, you are an unconventional, passionate, and self-possessed master of solutions. Outwardly you are confident, but inwardly you are emotional and vulnerable.

The Gentle Spirit 479
-Intuitive/Original
-Innovative/Creative
-Accepting/Peaceful
-You are very identified with the defense of optimism and tend to hide your more painful feelings and pessimism for fear of being rejected. You see the wonder in beauty and are gentle, lyrical, and idealistic in the way that you relate to others. You are attracted to the healing profession or arts.
 
#69 ·
This thread truly is brilliant! Thank you for posting it.

As for me: INFP 469, this part specifically is so completely accurate of how I feel:

It particularly plays itself out in the social realm via shame, feeling utterly different, feeling hunted when very insecure (with no real external evidence to back the feeling up) and then by succumbing to a desire to merge with the group by lying down and playing 'dead' like a puppy. The merging brings short-term relief until my need to express myself takes over. If I can't I feel sickened by my lack of authenticity, if I can I do which opens me up to feeling exposed and ashamed again so I withdraw to avoid feeling hunted.
I find I can seem very calm on the surface but am a total wreck inside. And when that anxiety does find its way out, I feel very ashamed as well, for letting myself be affected. The back and forth is exhausting.

It is really a bit like a carousel, makes me feel sick - the constant loop.
 
#70 ·
This thread truly is brilliant! Thank you for posting it.

As for me: INFP 469, this part specifically is so completely accurate of how I feel:

I find I can seem very calm on the surface but am a total wreck inside. And when that anxiety does find its way out, I feel very ashamed as well, for letting myself be affected. The back and forth is exhausting.

It is really a bit like a carousel, makes me feel sick - the constant loop.
You're welcome!

You have the exact tritype as my brother. He's INFP 694.
 
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I find both the 162 and 126 definitions are too warm and fuzzy for me. People often refer to 1s as the not most empathetic type, though they care to do right. I think of this typing as a matter of the meaning of the super ego types. 1 wants to better things around them, 6 is a fear of mistakes and consequences, 2 is the betterment of others for the appreciation shown as a response. A 1 can be very reluctant to invite these feelings of satisfaction for approval of others. Maybe they should do what they do just because they think it's best for the cause. Maybe it is because they care about others. Maybe they're as self-serving as everyone else in the end. The level of emotional connection 1s form with others certainly varies.
 
#74 ·
Also, in my research, I've noticed that the descriptions only consider one "version" of each type, if that makes any sense. For example, with 2, they may not take into account the true superego nature of the type and how that may affect behavior, and instead focus on superficial adjectives and characteristics of the type, such as the vague "2s are caring." At unhealthy levels, 2s can become manipulative and demanding of love. I didn't really see that factor into the tritype descriptions with a 2.

And don't even get me started about the portrayal of type 9, haha.
 
#76 ·
I seen the part about 259. I'm a 9w1 5w6 and 2w6. and though the descriptions are relatively similar, when ever the 3 numbers of a tri type are switched, like from 259 to 952 the description is different. I'm pretty sure there was vary little mention on the 952 fix. there was a short mention of 95 I know, but I don't think it really said much of anything about the 952 type specifically. BTW, any one know of a good place for me to look more into my tritype? and if possible, specifically a 9w1 5w6 2w1?

I like and rather injoy self discovery. and some times can get far to into it to the point where I will spend countless hours combing over the entire internet looking to reaserch myself. XP and if I don't find anything or not enough to satify myself for now, I'll do it all over again a bit later or the next day untill I finally either tire myself out of it compleatly or just figure that I've finally learned enough.
 
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#77 ·
Everything I found about your type I posted here. And I did intensive google searches for all the types. Some of the searches turned up more than others. I've been periodically checking for more. But I haven't turned up anything more substantial on your type as of yet. :/ Sorry.
 
#78 ·
that's ok. I wasn't really trying to complain I was just saying that I'd like to know a bit more about the 952 order specifically if I can. but I geuss that means you don't know of any places I could go to to learn more?
 
#79 ·
Oh, I didn't think you were complaining. I have the same frustrations. But, no, I don't have any specific place that you can go to learn more. However, I can suggest that you can lurk on the Enneagram Institute Discussion Board site. That's where I got a lot of my information. You can also lurk on the Fauvres' Facebook page, called Enneagram Explorations. I got a lot of my tidbits from there as well. I continue to lurk and comply more information. If I find anything about 952 specifically, I'll post it and tag you in it first thing.
 
#80 ·
cool, and thanks. I'll make another sticky note so I can remember to look those places up XP. (got like, 15 stickys already. only had this laptop for like a week.)
 
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Woot ISTJ "Taskmaster" not surprised :tongue:
 
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