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This is a discussion on Temperaments = Enneagram? within the Enneagram Personality Theory Forum forums, part of the Personality Type Forums category; Listen, I know that it might sound unbelieveable, but... here is the proof (actually, only root of proof): The Enneagram ...

  1. #1
    Type 5

    Temperaments = Enneagram?

    Listen, I know that it might sound unbelieveable, but... here is the proof (actually, only root of proof): The Enneagram Blogspot: Scientific Proof for the Enneagram

    Okay, now, we can label the 4 Temperaments with the extremes of chemicals in the body:
    Sanguine - High Serotonin - Too happy with life of theirs, calm
    Melancholic - Low Serotonin - Too sad because of their life, moody
    Choleric - High Norepinepherin - Too angry/nervous/I don't know, but it makes sense
    Phlegmatic - Low Norepinepherin - Too calm, "Thinks when he must"

    What do you think about it? The "Temperament crossbreeds" or I don't know how to call them, are those with both chemicals neutral (3) or with neither of them neutral (6, 7, 8, 9). If one of them is neutral (1, 2, 4, 5), they can show up as mostly that one, which have produced more that certain chemical (I know, badly formulated). So, if I would list it:
    1 - Phlegmatic
    2 - Sanguine
    3 - Totaly phlegmatic?? (both chemicals neutraly produced)
    4 - Melancholic
    5 - Choleric
    6 - Melancholic-Choleric*
    7 - Sanguine-Choleric*
    8 - Melancholic-Phlegmatic
    9 - Sanguine-Phlegmatic*

    * - Which is more dominant depends on chemicals (if Serotonine is more under average, or Norepinepherin is more above average, assuming "average" as neutral level)

    If I would make it in some sort of table (sorry for bad ASCII), then it would look like this:

    Sanguine
    9|2|7
    1|3|5 - Phlegmatic - Choleric
    8|4|6
    Melancholic
    /It didn't shown the table as it has to be, so I edited it/

    Do you recognize formations of those numbers (in rows, the order of them is not important)? Yes! Those are the formations about Harmonizing groups (or IDK how it is named).
    How about columns? Yes! Triads of head, heart and body!
    Coincidence? I think not.
    What do you think?

    //EDIT 2
    Yeah, and one more thing: I am not so great at Enneagram, so it may be all wrong. It was only the outcome from my thinking processes, so you should accept it only as the Theory, nothing more. Even I am after finishing it looking still at Noreperiphine and thinking about what if it is reversed.
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    Type 6w7

    o.o hmm not sure I'm 6w7 INFP melancholic - sanguinic. My serotonin levels have been low in the past years but they are returning to normal. I have changed much of my thinking habits, sleep properly, get enough sunshine,eat properly and thinking of exercising more too.

    Damn type 6 habits die hard, but they die none the less.

  3. #3
    Type 5


    What about dopamine? That's a biggie.
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  4. #4
    Unknown


    Quote Originally Posted by darude11 View Post
    Listen, I know that it might sound unbelieveable, but... here is the proof (actually, only root of proof): The Enneagram Blogspot: Scientific Proof for the Enneagram

  5. #5
    Type 9w1

    I think you got melancholic chloric and melancholic phlegmatic mixed up, that's just first glance though, I'll read it now. There is a chemically balanced brain test in the Test resources thread that you might like.

  6. #6
    Type 4w3

    No offense, but although its cool that I am seeing correlation thread with the 4 humors like this, I think a One would be choleric melancholic, Two could be a melancholic because I read that a catholic woman whose name I think is Saint Angus or Mary maybe is a Two but also a melancholic. The 3 and 8 I think would be more extroverted and 5 would maybe be melcholic or phlegmatic maybe but since personality is unique and full of exceptions and contradictions, anything is possible.

  7. #7
    Type 9w1

    This is a pretty cool idea, and I think they match up very well. The only one I have a really big problem with is I think you got the 5 and 8 mixed up, I dont think meloncholy is often associated with 8s, if anything Id think they would be the pure choleric ones from their aggressive outward behavior and 5s would be be more prone to melancholy and thinking a lot/extreme calm as the "intellectuals".

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    1 - Phlegmatic
    2 - Sanguine
    3 - Totaly phlegmatic?? (both chemicals neutraly produced)
    4 - Melancholic
    5 - Choleric
    6 - Melancholic-Choleric*
    7 - Sanguine-Choleric*
    8 - Melancholic-Phlegmatic
    9 - Sanguine-Phlegmatic*
    these pop out immediately to me as off the mark

    if I had to draw a loose correlation, I'd say

    1: melancholy/choleric
    2: sanguine
    3: choleric/sanguine (3w2) or choleric/melancholy (3w4)
    4: melancholy
    5: phlegmatic
    6: anything
    7: sanguine/choleric
    8: choleric
    9: phlegmatic/sanguine
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  9. #9
    Unknown

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsman of Mana View Post
    these pop out immediately to me as off the mark

    if I had to draw a loose correlation, I'd say

    1: melancholy/choleric
    2: sanguine
    3: choleric/sanguine (3w2) or choleric/melancholy (3w4)
    4: melancholy
    5: phlegmatic
    6: anything
    7: sanguine/choleric
    8: choleric
    9: phlegmatic/sanguine
    Some 1w9, especially So/Sp, are surprisingly phlegmatic and stoic, and neither melancholic nor choleric. Pretty even-keel and work-focused. I might even call sixes more choleric.

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    sanguine

    9
    2
    7
    phlegmatic___
    1
    3
    5
    ___melancholic
    8
    4
    6
    choleric

    Just thought this would be easier to read. Anyways, to contribute, I don't think 5s are all too nervous or neurotic. I'd say we're pretty calm. That could go with the Dopamine aspect, being detached. But that seems entirely neglected.
    Last edited by TheOminousMuffin; 07-18-2013 at 05:26 PM. Reason: OCD impulse


 
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