[etherealuntouaswithin]

How do you explain that test always say 4 ?
I think things arent in stones, you can have some 6, 4 trait, as some 6 basic fear, and other more 4 ect... If he get always 4 from test, this suggest AT LEAST that he have a strong 4 into his "try tipe" or whatever you name it.

The tests are bullshit.They focus on superficial particulars of each type, and arrange them in a way that will inevitably reap inadequate and incorrect results.

Some types can seem like others superficially,but the depths and motivations are all too different (the tests aren't yet complex enough to deal in such things...which is why they're unreliable.)

Then there's the complexity of the tri-type.The three fixes (gut, head, and heart) can give the primary type a flavor...that appears to be an all together different type on the surface.



I don't feel like getting deep with it,but it's good to remember that the literature (especially the tests) are most indefinitely Not the end all,be all. The enneagram is above all,a theory...still being explored. One's understanding of it never really ends.

[no_id]

Into a psychological way, I would say 4 use mainly introjection while 6 use introjection and projection.

edit : just see your response etherealuntouaswithin, thx for ure opinion, I generally agree too that test suck (too much bias)

[etherealuntouaswithin]

Into a psychological way, I would say 4 use mainly introjection while 6 use introjection and projection.

edit : just see your response etherealuntouaswithin, thx for ure opinion, I generally agree too that test suck (too much bias)

I don't know what you're getting at with this...and i don't really care to get into it.The lady's post was undeniably 6ish.Could there be a 4 in the tritype? maybe..we'd have to see more to really find out (which is why i haven't explored her possible tri-type yet..the Primary 6 is too apparent). Annnnnyyyway,Im sticking with 6.

[no_id]

I just throw some speculation.
The more I re read, the more I see 6 dominantly youre right. Introversion and artistic pursuit is not a only 4 stuff, wich seem to be a major part of mistyping. But I stick with the fact hes more NeSi/JiJe than INFJ as he suggest. At least is more JPPJ, cause too much focused on behavior, thought, than "state of mind".

[Berdudget]

To the OP: You may be a 4, you may be a 6. I won't pretend to know. The only way to know for sure is to read and read and read until it strikes you. At least, that's the way it has worked with people I know. I have never questioned my 4 result. However, I didn't start looking into the enneagram until I was about 25, which, in my opinion, is a prime age to identify core motivations. What you've shared about yourself is true, I'm sure. But is it at the core of what defines you inside? Maybe, maybe not. Therefore, people's impressions of this snapshot explanation that you are sharing about yourself may or may not be accurate in identifying your type. This is especially true because everyone is going to have bias of one sort or another.

But I'm still curious because I think it will help you find your answer, what exactly has led you, at this point, to start questioning the results you've gotten up until this point?

I feel, if you are drawn out properly, you will come to an accurate conclusion on your own.

[no_id]

full of sens

[emmygog]

First off, I apologize for the length of this and the somewhat rambling nature.

I appreciate that you're not quick to go with one specific type immediately. Pondering over whether or not this snapshot was accurate or not was a very good idea on your part. To be honest what I wanted was more of a introspective discussion than a simple 'You're this' or 'You're not that.' Truthfully, I spent hours really thinking my personality over and typing up everything that came to mind. My mind often feels like a jumbled ball of thoughts; often I find myself leaving out key points. I cut a lot of meat, so to speak, from my original post. This was a grave error. I came across in a way that was highly unintentional. I was so worried people wouldn't want to read a huge wall of text so I trimmed it down as much as possible. Now that I read through it, I feel somewhat sick to my stomach that I left myself open to misinterpretation.

One thing I didn't elaborate enough on was my sense of identity. I -have- to be myself. My lack of people skills and negative personality make me quick to assume people won't like who I am so I withdraw into seclusion instead of just being out in the world, true to myself. When I'm alone is the only time I can relax and just be -me-. I see myself as unique and I've been told I'm unique. Does the other person always mean it positively? No, unfortunately. But that doesn't matter to me. I will not elaborate fully on my interests but they are not the norm and I've been scolded many times by those around me for being too 'weird.' It's hard to categorize my feelings toward people who want me to change what I am. At my very core I don't care at all and this is why I haven't succumbed to conformity. But does it still hurt? Yes. Quite a bit, actually. I experience emotions deeply, be they anger, sadness, happiness, etc. I find myself plagued more often with a sense of longing than anything else. There are so many 'what ifs' in my mind. Even now I think to myself, 'What if I had just been more thorough with my explanation?'

I get the impression people believe I am going out of my way to be a type that's seen as dark or cool. Of course that's just my own interpretation, I definitely could be wrong. I apologize in advance if I am mistaken on this, this was simply the first thought that came to mind as I read through the posts. If that -is- the case, though, no. This is most definitely not true. The first time I took the test I didn't even know what the Enneagram was. A teacher of mine asked us to take the test because she found it interesting and was curious to see what her students were. Yes, teenagers are a big bottle of angst but I did not go out of my way to select answers which would give me a type like Four.

In my heart I feel like a Four, regardless of what's been said. I've read through all the type descriptions and that is the only one that truly resonates with me. Not because I -want- to be it, but because it feels right. The reason I began to question it wasn't so much a lack of faith in the constant results as it was a realization that some types do have similar characteristics. I wanted input from others and I got it. Unfortunately, though, I don't think I was careful enough in my initial description. I left a bad first impression and for that, I am truly sorry. Not only to people who replied but to myself as well.

I have more to say but I will end it here. I am extremely sorry for the length of this reply. Thank you again for your input, it was greatly appreciated.

[Berdudget]

Hey, don't worry at all. I can totally relate to everything you're saying. Please don't beat yourself up. And nothing is too long. There are a number of people on this site who seem to be on a mission to prove no one is really a 4. lol. That almost anyone who claims to be a 4 is trying to be cool. (And I'm not accusing anyone on this thread of doing that). Thankfully I've not yet been accused. Which enneagram books have you read? I could recommend a few if you're interested. BTW - have you read The Time Traveler's Wife? Just curious. lol. Talk about longing...

[emmygog]

Thanks a lot for replying, Berdudget. Totally appreciated. And I'm glad it wasn't too long. I personally love reading really thorough descriptions but I realize many people do not. I am not assuming this of you but I figured it was better to try my best to keep it short and apologize in advance, just in case.

As for books I have read, to be honest I've only read one but for the life of me I cannot remember the title. I owned it several years back but lost it when I moved out of my mother's house. What would you recommend? I would love to have more in-depth reading material on this subject, definitely.

I have not read The Time Traveler's Wife but I -do- believe I've heard of it. The title really sounds familiar. Reading through the descriptions I can find, I am definitely interested! I am absolutely fascinated by anything involving time travel. I know I'm going off a bit here but I honestly could spend hours every day looking up old pictures and films. The 80s, 30s, and 20s are my absolute favorite decades. I watch countless old commercials and movies from the 80s and love, love, love films from the 30s. If time travel to the past was possible I'd be signed up in a heartbeat. So, so fascinating. Anyway, sorry for going off track. Just had to mention my adoration of all things time travel. lol

This book sounds extremely relevant to my interests. I will most definitely be giving it a read. Thanks a lot for the recommendation!

[Berdudget]

I think most people would agree that The Wisdom of the Enneagram a valuable resource. It is, by far, the most extensive book on the subject. But it is not always in stock at book stores and is kind of expensive. Riso-Hudson have written several other books on the subject, such as Personality Types which is a little more affordable and also very indepth . Look for these authors at the bookstore or online. In my experience, reading several different books on the subject is invaluable. It provides so much added perspective. I also recommend the several cartoonish books by Renee Baron and Elizabeth Wagele, as well as The Spirit of the Enneagram. It incorporates some eastern medicine into the interpretation of the enneagram. You can take that part or leave it, but I really appreciated the author's additional insights. I hope any of these interest or help you! :)