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This is a discussion on Mistypes and so-called "cool" types - 4, 5, 8 within the Enneagram Personality Theory Forum forums, part of the Personality Type Forums category; 5 is a cool type? I guess I'm a cool cat then....
5 is a cool type? I guess I'm a cool cat then.
You also have to remember that a 4w5 and a 5w4 are rather different, despite perhaps seeming/behaving similarly. The 4 and the 5 cores are not at all alike, and a wing mostly provides behavioral traits. Presumably the 4w5 with a 5w4 fix would be rather internally conflicted. 4 connects naturally to self and one's own emotions. 5 seeks detachment.Originally Posted by Kito
I waited awhile to post this, but the "cool types" find tend to get lonely in real life.
Not always the case, but the "cool types" happen to be rare and in the case of rare sometimes don't fit in with the rest of society.
I love em all though haha!
To comment on the 4w5/5w4..I think it's more common than people might think...since I believe 5-fixed 4's can only have 5w4 fixes and vice versa.
I know a lot of people are going to disagree with my view on this but..
I think the following tritype combinations are impossible.
Core type with a secondary type
[2w1 or 2w3] with a 1w9 fix
[4w3 or 4w5] with a 5w6 fix
[5w4 or 5w6] with a 4w3 fix
[7w6 or 7w8] with a 8w9 fix
[8w7 or 8w9] with a 7w6 fix
[1w9 or 1w2] with a 2w3 fix
I just don't think it's possible from what we know of Enneagram.
A 5w6 essentially prefers 6 over 4, so even in the context of tritype, it would not make sense for a core 4 to have a 5w6 fix given 5w6's preference for 6 over 4.
The subwing theory would help remedy some of the confusion..
Example: A 4w5 can have a 5w4(sw6w5) fix..if that 4w5 feels that he can relate well to the 4 and the 6..while 4 is dominant, 6 wouldn't be that far behind.
very, very true.
maybe that's why many of them congregate here on PerC, where there are people who do understand them and can see where they're coming from? i doubt these three types are rare on PerC ~ especially Fours, since we are so consumed with figuring out who we are, and PerC exists to assist people towards that end. xD
It's alright. We all love you guys
This is true. I find that in the real world, 3s, 7s and 2s, as you say, are very highly valued. I don't know if it's just who/how I am or if all 4 or 4w5s are like that, but I find that people - in the real world - are envious of my certain traits: creativity, self-confidence etc. - but to a certain extent. They don't accept the whole package that comes with it, which is frustratingly hypocritical and loathesome. They don't value being dark and moody or liking to be swallowed up by sadness. They criticize me for my 4 'couldn't-care-less' behaviour, which keeps on being pit against the 2-ness of putting other people first. Just a couple of examples. With regards to the question posed in this forum, thus, my answer is: I am completely comfortable being a 4. In fact, I really love being a 4. There's this swell of pride reading the description of a 4, even parts of 5 that relate to me, just because it's so me and I am completely comfortable with myself and accepting of who I am. And maybe people are charmed by the romance of what it means to be a 4, but in the real world, they definitely simply cannot accept me for who I am, in all my 4ness and keep on wanting me to be someone else, the ideal sacrificing 2, the goal-getting 3 and the adventurous, enthusiastic 7.
Postscript: I hope I didn't come across as enneagram-type-bashing. I didn't mean to. I don't mind other people being the way they are, but I really just don't want to be anyone other than myself.
People want what they can't have simple as can be.
People are very much icebergs. What one sees on the surface is very much driven by a ton of other things that are hidden under the surface.
Every enneagram type has its positives and negatives. Just like there's a price to pay for creativity (moodiness), intellectual awesomeness (detached loneliness), and being a mover and shaker (people fearing you). I just described the pluses and minuses of 4,5, and 8.
The best part is, we all have the ability to mold ourselves into better beings. All it takes is a little determination to not fall into the easy mind traps we all have and instead face the difficult parts by working through it. So much easier said than done!
From learning more about subwings etc.. I think that what I said above was wrong. It would be possible for a 4w5 to have a 5w6 fix.
It's just a person's personality would like
4-->5-->6
rather than
4-->5-->4
Hi, I'd just like to make a note in relation to what you have said that I actually knew a 4w5 with a very strong 6 element in her. In fact, I knew her very well, she used to be my best friend. I can understand how it may appear contradictory, and, to a certain extent, when I noted her behaviour, it was. She had on one hand this very strong sense of inner superiority that is common to all if not most 4s, but on the other hand, she DETESTED superiority in society/hierarchy/superiority in any way, honestly. Kind of like a 6w5. In fact, her personality type DID read 4 --> 5 --> 6, as you have drawn out.
Having said that, it was precisely because of this strong sense of 6 in her that we are no longer best friends. Remember that I am a 4w5 too, and her strong 6 element was an opposition to my 4. Coincidentally, just as I finished writing that sentence, a 6w5 I know saw me sitting at the computer and came to chat with me and we got in a little bit of a struggle because she's 6 and I am 4. In summary: yes, 6s and 4s CAN clash, but it is COMPLETELY POSSIBLE to have a 4 with a strong 6 element.
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