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This is a discussion on Angry Words & Drunk Words - Do We Mean Them? within the ENFP Forum - The Inspirers forums, part of the NF's Temperament Forum- The Dreamers category; Their is a saying that "A drunk man's words are a sober man's thoughts." Do you agree with this statement? ...

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    Angry Words & Drunk Words - Do We Mean Them?

    Their is a saying that "A drunk man's words are a sober man's thoughts." Do you agree with this statement? Does alcohol give a person liquid courage to say things they have already been thinking?

    Likewise do you believe an angry's man words follow suit? In other words, do you think people say things they really mean when they are angry? Do you think anger removes certain filters and people are more apt to say what they really mean even it's unacceptable?

    When you look back on the times you said things when angry, did you say things you really meant? Did those thoughts just pop into your head during the heat of the argument or were they really just premeditated thoughts unleashed?

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    ENFP - The Inspirers


    Quote Originally Posted by n2freedom View Post
    Their is a saying that "A drunk man's words are a sober man's thoughts." Do you agree with this statement? Does alcohol give a person liquid courage to say things they have already been thinking?

    Likewise do you believe an angry's man words follow suit? In other words, do you think people say things they really mean when they are angry? Do you think anger removes certain filters and people are more apt to say what they really mean even it's unacceptable?

    When you look back on the times you said things when angry, did you say things you really meant? Did those thoughts just pop into your head during the heat of the argument or were they really just premeditated thoughts unleashed?
    That's a good question. I think it can be a bit of both. I've said some things drunk that I felt uncomfortable saying sober but I meant every word. I also remember feeling love for people when I was drunk that I didn't feel when I was sober. So I don't know really.

    The anger thing can work both ways too. I've said some shitty things that I didn't mean when angry and some shitty things that I did mean so I don't know. I'm not really being of much help here am I? I'm probably just stating what you were already thinking.
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    ENFP - The Inspirers

    Drunk means you lose impulse control so it can mean truth. It can also mean random impulse lol. Anger i feel shouldn't be taken seriously because you have became emotionally comprimised.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eye of the Potato View Post
    That's a good question. I think it can be a bit of both. I've said some things drunk that I felt uncomfortable saying sober but I meant every word. I also remember feeling love for people when I was drunk that I didn't feel when I was sober. So I don't know really.

    The anger thing can work both ways too. I've said some shitty things that I didn't mean when angry and some shitty things that I did mean so I don't know. I'm not really being of much help here am I? I'm probably just stating what you were already thinking.
    I dunno. The jury is still out for me. That's why I started this thread. I had someone to say some pretty mean and harsh things to me. Then, later apologize for being mean and disrespectful. But, although they were angry, I am inclined to think they meant them. So, why apologize saying them?

    I am leaning towards more often than not people say what they mean when they are drunk and/or angry. It's a cowardly way to say what you really mean but you have a cop out later to blame it on either the booze or the anger.
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    INTP - The Thinkers

    I'm a firm believer that there isn't anything you'd do while drunk that you wouldn't while sober. That goes for angry words, sex and anything else. If anything I think the alcohol magnifies what you really want to do.
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    ENFP - The Inspirers

    It's complicated for me. The whole alcohol thing is dose dependent. At a low does, my tongue loosens and I might tend to say things I otherwise would keep in. Add more though, especially to the point of black-out drunk and I will say all sorts of gibberish that I do not remotely feel or mean when sober.

    In anger, I tend to let fly with words like weapons, with the intent of doing damage, not necessarily because I am speaking great truths. I have a heck of a time convincing the person, later, that I did not mean what I said, but was merely saying what I knew would wound them (yeah, it's a bitch being empathic and smart, my words can be razor sharp and VERY effective).

    I now very seriously practice the whole count to 10 thing to avoid such blow ups, if I can.

    I also stopped drinking altogether. Sigh.
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    ENFP - The Inspirers

    I believe that moderation is in just about everything. If I drink, it's just to the point of being buzzed..... After that, I cut myself off.
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    ENFP - The Inspirers

    I think it depends.

    I know some people that spew angry words all the time - and they later regret it. Typically their anger is ill-placed or they get so caught up in their rage that their thoughts follow no logic. In these situations, I do not think that drunk angry words coming from these particular people carry any more weight than their usual words that they don't mean.

    In other scenarios - when you've got someone that bottles everything up all the time - then I think drunk words tend to reveal a bit more about the individual's inner thoughts.
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    ENFP - The Inspirers

    Firstly, i wouldn't say that when drunk or rarely when angry i say things I dont mean, I nearly always consider what I say because regardless of how I feel, the next person isn't necessarily going to agree with me and so it's bound to make the situation worse - I suppose it does in a sense make me a bit of a doormat, which I detest, but I dislike confrontation more and just seek easy win-win situations and if that makes keeping quiet, then I know what I think, I just don't necessarily speak it.

    I suppose I should make a stab at actually answering the question too though. I think angry/drunk words are a definately a productof what is thought while sober or in a fine mood only we are less rational and well, I guess we feel no need to express those thoughts normally, whereas when angry or drunkered (which is proven to bring out an agressive side to people) all that changes....We've all had that mood ('dont mess with me'), it doesn't matter who you are, i'm going to make you feel like rubbish to...because I do!

    Thats my take anyway!
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    ENTP - The Visionaries

    I think this is absolutely true! My experience of both myself and others, whilst drunk, is that it removes that "social filter". What I mean, is that usual voice saying "if I say this.. Will they accept it?" or "man, this is absolutely inappropriate" is gone! I was out drinking with work and one of our female bosses told me "if I was a little younger, I'd definitely shag you" lol! We haven't really talked since! So that makes me think that she meant it and is embarrassed. Hehe

    With anger it's slightly different.. I think we use insults that will get the greatest affect. So we may not mean it... But subconsciously we must have acknowledged it, or else we wouldn't think it was an effective insult! Then again, I've heard this is a particular skill for most "feelers". You definitely would know if you meant it and if you didn't I would think :)
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