[My Sweet Stalin]

What you want us to do is agree with all your typist comments. Yes, ENFP are all liars, can't be trusted, blah blah.

It's true. I'm lying right now. But please don't think I'm lying to you because then my feelings will be hurt. Oh, look, a bunny!

[Istbkleta]

@BassClef

Or accept a sample of 2 is indicative of a type.

This is what I said. How do you even manage to read it in any other way than what it obviously says.

I am tralking about two specific individuals and I explicitly say the are not indicative of any type!

[Istbkleta]

I'm not judging your values, I honestly have no idea what they are. I'm countering some stereotypes that seem to be the basis of your communication. I get the second part of your complaint. That's fair. And I apologize.

If you really want to learn then you have to be a little more open minded and shake off some ready made boxes. They just don't work or apply. And they offend. I'm extremely close on the F/T line so I'm giving it to you straight since you're an NT.

But I applaud you for trying to learn. That's always a good thing. It just didn't seem like you were listening or serious. But maybe you were/are...

I am sorry. As I said, I am painfully aware of the limitations of the MBTI. But again: this is the best I have.

Judging what is different from us seems like a very common human behavior. The MBTI helps me achieve some level of objectivity.

My aim has never been to offend. I am trying to group things together in some way to make sense out of what I am seeing. I am honestly tired and sick of explaining myself.

[MuChApArAdOx]

I am sorry. As I said, I am painfully aware of the limitations of the MBTI. But again: this is the best I have.

Judging what is different from us seems like a very common human behavior. The MBTI helps me achieve some level of objectivity.

My aim has never been to offend. I am trying to group things together in some way to make sense out of what I am seeing. I am honestly tired and sick of explaining myself.

We can go around in circles all day, it doesn't change anything. We speak completely different languages, and until or unless you decide one day you're an ENFP, the only way you will ever really grasp or understand an ENFP is to have a healthy , secure, positive relationship with one, whether that be friendship/Romantic. We can't explain to you why you perceive the things you do, or how you can change your perceptions with your personal experiences. This is a internet forum, how can we possible know everything about who you are in order to relate our language in a clearer fashion. Your logic is weak, basing it on what you perceive. I've tried hard to understand types who base logic/thinking on perceptions, i just don't relate, i've tried, nope, i just can't Sorry, i can't help you. Good luck!

Btw, you're not offending us, you're only annoying us because your thoughts aren't making sense.
Just like ours are making no sense to you.

[WMDistraction]

I am sorry. As I said, I am painfully aware of the limitations of the MBTI. But again: this is the best I have.

Judging what is different from us seems like a very common human behavior. The MBTI helps me achieve some level of objectivity.

My aim has never been to offend. I am trying to group things together in some way to make sense out of what I am seeing. I am honestly tired and sick of explaining myself.

Because @MuChApArAdOx said a lot of what I wanted to say, I'm only going to say this:

If you're "painfully aware of the limitations of the MBTI," why aren't you using MBTI while being aware of its limitations? That's like saying you're painfully aware of the limitations of a water gun, but decide to use it in a gun duel, anyway.

[My Sweet Stalin]

If you really want to learn then you have to be a little more open minded and shake off some ready made boxes. They just don't work or apply. And they offend. I'm extremely close on the F/T line so I'm giving it to you straight since you're an NT.

I'm close on F/T also, and I've been having a similar reaction to the OP's statements. I don't know if that means anything but I do think it's interesting.

[saffron]

I am sorry. As I said, I am painfully aware of the limitations of the MBTI. But again: this is the best I have.

Judging what is different from us seems like a very common human behavior. The MBTI helps me achieve some level of objectivity.

My aim has never been to offend. I am trying to group things together in some way to make sense out of what I am seeing. I am honestly tired and sick of explaining myself.

I just think you may be forcing a paradigm here, and it's a bit counter productive in terms of understanding.

I also think you're understanding of Fi is not quite accurate. It is not about placing the individual over the group as you stated in another thread. And we do place a very high value on doing the "right thing." We just trust our inner compass/conscience/instincts (whatever you want to call it) to point us in the right direction.

MBTI has it's uses. But good old fashioned empathy and waiting until asked to give personal advice is usually appreciated by most people regardless of type.

[Istbkleta]

the only way you will ever really grasp or understand an ENFP is to have a healthy , secure, positive relationship with one, whether that be friendship/Romantic.

Yes, it seems a prudent decision. I'll consider it and probably apply if I get a chance.

Thanks for the patience.

[Syrus Magistus]

It really seems like you made the mistake of not asserting yourself in a situation that warranted it. If you're not into her 'in that way', just come out and say it. People don't need lovers, but they wouldn't be able to make it without friends. Don't get too high on the technical bogus. Being a thinker doesn't mean you have to be so impersonal, anymore than being a feeler means you have to be a quivering mess of emotional reactions. People are deeper than that. We develop at different rates, and hurtful experiences damage our potential. Doesn't matter how you process experiences. There are good ways to handle a situation and bad ones. Had you expressed yourself as soon as you noticed the gravity shifting, everything would have been peachy.

Say something simple, like "Look, I'm a mess these days and it's been hard for me to deal with anything that's complicated. You deserved more. By acting stupid and selfish, I hurt you and I'm sorry."

Then again, this person doesn't seem terribly important to you. Maybe it's better that you live with that guilt until the next time you experience a similar situation. That way, instead of pussyfooting around you can just come out and say "I'm not romantically available right now, but I really need a friend" or even "I think you're all sorts of cool and awesome. Let's go on a real date sometime."

[MuChApArAdOx]

Yes, it seems a prudent decision. I'll consider it and probably apply if I get a chance.

Thanks for the patience.

Why are you so obsessed with ENFP ? That is the obvious. I don't see the connection honestly, as i'm not mentally attracted to ENTP's. Seems to be the same story with every guy who has either been hurt, or has misunderstanding with an ENFP. They become obsessed with trying to figure us out, so so obsessed. Every boyfriend i've had that i walked away from ,obsessed over the situation for years. I usually forgot about it within a few days of walking. It wouldn't surprise me that ENFP have more stalkers than other types. Been there, no fun, just creepy.