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What i'm about to describe is something from my personal experience, it may not apply to you or to any ENFP.

I found that using our Ne primary function is the major turn-off for people especially Is.

Our Extraverted iNtuition or Ne function is responsible for inferring relationships, noticing threads of meaning, and scanning for what could be. It presents itself when the first thing we open our mouth to say is "yes, that is exactly like when...." which i found out is perceived by people as "only thinking about yourself", "self centered", "this has nothing to do with u now" and the famous "would u shut up and listen to me n stop thinking about yourself for a minute!"

When a friend comes to us to tell us a problem, our first reaction is to tie the knots, try to dig in and see if we have been presented with this sort of thing before. Being an E means at the first memory we will jump up and try to tell. What we expect is the friend to understand the meaning, the link, as we did, then proceed with their story. After they have completed their story we tie together all different stories and memories, then use our Fi on them.

Fi or Introverted Feelings is defined as *evaluating importance and maintaining congruence. It is often hard to put words to the values used to make introverted Feeling judgments since they are often associated with images and feeling-tones more than words. As a cognitive process, it often serves as a filter for information that matches what is valued and wanted.* After Fi has been emplyed, Te is used as well to think.

Then we form an opinion or advice or solution. In some cases this works out really fine. In others, well, it doesnt go as planned.

At the 2nd interruption the speaker receives from the ENFP, they will go ballistic about *not interrupting* and might even stop talking altogether or start a fight about the ENFP interrupting with their stories.


What the ENFP needs when they say their little snippets of the past is someone to say *exactly* or *ye thats how i think went* and immediately proceed. Acknowledge the link, then move on.

What the speaker needs to know is that ENFP talking about *yes thats like when.....* means they are relating to u, understanding u and is like weaving themes and "threads" together. We don't know the weave until a thought thread appears or is drawn out in the interaction with a previous one. Thus there is often an emergent quality to using this process. A strategy or concept emerges based on the here-and-now interactions, not appearing as a whole beforehand.

ADVICE to make encounters like this more smooth:

for ENFP: try exercising keeping those snippets to yourself on a temperary memory that is easy to access when it's your turn of the conversation. Employ the thinking process, the relating process inwards with Introverted types. When it's ur turn to talk, talk solutions and conclusions, if the listener isnt convinced u can then ask them if they need to hear a story as to where ur getting ur great hunch about this.

for person talking to ENFP: keep in mind that the ENFP is only trying to help you, and this process of relating events is what makes the ENFP the amazing problem solver who sees solutions that couldnt be present without such diversity of thought.

I hope anyone related to this
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Wow, nicely stated! I am an INFP, but my process order is weird. My Ne happens to be slightly more dominant than my Fi, even though I am in introvert, and I have experienced the same thing. Someone will say something, and my first tendency is to relate it to the closest thing I can think of that I have experienced. I like it when others do the same when I am talking to them, so it never occurs to me until afterward that they probably think I am just being self-focused instead of legitimately trying to tie things together to gain empathy, perspective, and possibly to come up with solutions through an understanding of how things interconnect. I am always having to watch myself to make sure I don't come across as really self-centered because of the Ne.
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Wow, nicely stated! I am an INFP, but my process order is weird. My Ne happens to be slightly more dominant than my Fi, even though I am in introvert, and I have experienced the same thing. Someone will say something, and my first tendency is to relate it to the closest thing I can think of that I have experienced. I like it when others do the same when I am talking to them, so it never occurs to me until afterward that they probably think I am just being self-focused instead of legitimately trying to tie things together to gain empathy, perspective, and possibly to come up with solutions through an understanding of how things interconnect. I am always having to watch myself to make sure I don't come across as really self-centered because of the Ne.

interesting snail. i wish my friends were like you or shall i say *primary Nes* coz i noticed when ppl do it to me i find it normal, refreshing, fun and really cool :) but lately ive been exercising *shutting up* we'll see where that leads :)
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Shutting up may make people think better of you, but I have noticed that it shuts down the flow of ideas and decreases the potential for growth. It is useful to have the freedom to make connections between experiences, and to do so openly. Noticing similarities not only causes me to feel more connected with others, but also allows me to find patterns and principles that can be valuable to all involved participants if they are willing to stop judging my process long enough to allow me to find the common thread that can be applied to increase understanding in both a general and specific context.

I can try to be empathetic to their needs by avoiding certain behaviors, like interrupting or derailing their line of thought with unrelated information, but if I find a connection, I tend to mention it unless it would be hurtful to the other person in a certain situation or would make the other person feel that his or her suffering is being devalued.

Here is something that took a while for me to learn: Not everyone likes for us to empathize. Some people who have experienced painful things feel that if we have also experienced similar things, we are taking something away from the unique experience of their personal pain. We may have experienced pain similar to theirs, but we have not experienced their specific pain. What he have gone through is not exactly like it, since we were not experiencing it from their subjective perspective.

This can be hard for us to understand, because when we have been hurt, we tend to benefit from having friends share evidence of their empathy by relating connected experiences that they have had. It allows us to place things in a more general perspective and makes us feel like someone else really understands. Not everyone works like us, and in fact, I think that most people don't. I have learned to be more careful in such situations to avoid making others suffer more in an attempt to help.
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Here is something that took a while for me to learn: Not everyone likes for us to empathize. Some people who have experienced painful things feel that if we have also experienced similar things, we are taking something away from the unique experience of their personal pain. We may have experienced pain similar to theirs, but we have not experienced their specific pain. What he have gone through is not exactly like it, since we were not experiencing it from their subjective perspective.
are u sure u arent ENFP :)

i thanked u. coz it struck a nerve.

and when i shut up, its to save someone's feelings. but yes i feel my connection with them is lost, and tend not rely on conversation with that person to drive me to peace. or to make me creative.

I have witnessed this especially with INFP friends, they try to change how i *percieve* information. try to tell me how to feel, and how to react. its good to understand them, but very hard to follow their lead. hence i tiptoe around them only exposing bits and pieces of myself.
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I am sure that I am introverted, but when I took the cognitive processes test, my Ne came up slightly higher than my Fi. I'm not quite sure how that works. My results were:

Ne 53.5,
Fi 52.3,
Ni 47,
Fe 35,
Ti 24.9,
Se 20.7,
Si and Te are both listed as unused at 3.3

Anyhow, despite being a recluse, I can relate pretty well to ENFPs. I always got along perfectly with my ENFP brother.
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That sounds very familiar, starrynights...

I always see so much oppurtunities from my own experience when talking to others and helping them to solve problems that a. I drive them crazy with my stories and b. I drive myself crazy.I also tried shutting up and listening, but that doesn't work at all, simply because I can't stand it when a conversation dies for more than 20 seconds, I always expect people wanting me to react and come up with my own crap.
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This is my mother to a T. Thank you. I am prone to becoming irritated when speaking with her because of how she converses. Now I see!
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thanks everyone for liking this :) it was a personal effort to explain.

Moonchild i hope u arent irritated at ur mother anymore

Zaria, shutting up is awful! If i talk to someone who is quiete i feel weird. some ppl are offended though when i talk. so its a sensitive business really.
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thanks everyone for liking this :) it was a personal effort to explain.

Moonchild i hope u arent irritated at ur mother anymore

Zaria, shutting up is awful! If i talk to someone who is quiete i feel weird. some ppl are offended though when i talk. so its a sensitive business really.
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