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    Signs that an ENFJ isn't attracted to you

    I'm interested in this ENFJ dude, I think the interest is mutual however he acts as if I don't exist whenever I seem to be around him, and he doesn't usually do that, and ENFJs aren't renowned for doing that. So why does he do the following to me?

    Now, with the male race, I don't tend to hold interests but I can kinda guess subliminally that they may like me back (although I'm not too sure of this), and this attention causes me to like them - so bad - until I reach the 'Facebook Stalker' stage. I wasn't ever attracted before, (and we have known each other for several years) but almost recently we've been talking a lot.

    Anyways, enough with my miniature anecdote, please may you reply with the following (regardless of ENFJ or not):



    How does an ENFJ act when they aren't interested in pursuing a non-platonic relationship with you?

    What kind of body language or expression do they give out? How do they respond to you?

    How can you indicate whether an ENFJ actually wants to be romantically affiliated with you?

    Why does this particular ENFJ ignore me, and then flirtatiously flirts with other females right in front of me?

    Why can he not look me in the eye when he's speaking to me?

    And look, I'm not even making any sense anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by feigned angst View Post
    Why does this particular ENFJ ignore me, and then flirtatiously flirts with other females right in front of me?
    This could be either way... one way is that it's easy to flirt when you don't have any feelings for someone while it is harder when you care about what that person thinks of you. ...Or else he really isn't interested.

    Why can he not look me in the eye when he's speaking to me?
    This could be an indicator that he does like you. When I've had strong feelings for someone I have found it hard to keep eye contact because I'm afraid of giving myself away and finding out that the feeling is not mutual. If he wasn't interested he would probably be quite direct with eye contact.

    Heck, the only way to stop this game and be sure is to put yourself out there and see what his response is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kiwigrl View Post
    This could be either way... one way is that it's easy to flirt when you don't have any feelings for someone while it is harder when you care about what that person thinks of you. ...Or else he really isn't interested.


    This could be an indicator that he does like you. When I've had strong feelings for someone I have found it hard to keep eye contact because I'm afraid of giving myself away and finding out that the feeling is not mutual. If he wasn't interested he would probably be quite direct with eye contact.

    Heck, the only way to stop this game and be sure is to put yourself out there and see what his response is.
    Thanks for the response, this is why I'm so confused because as you stated it could mean interest but I doubt that. I've spent more time with him recently over the past couple days (with other people) and a friend of mine hinted out my interest to the ENFJ and he replied with seeing me as just "a friend", but the thing that catches my attention is the friend of mine who hinted isn't that great friends with the ENFJ. Does that mean his feelings are reserved for only himself or really close acquaintances or is it wishful thinking?

    Do you recommend that I ask him myself and then see what his response is?

    Also what are common giveaways that ENFJs emit when talking to a person they have an interest with?

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    I don't know how representative of ENFJ males, but answering some of these from my experience....

    Quote Originally Posted by feigned angst View Post
    I wasn't ever attracted before, (and we have known each other for several years) but almost recently we've been talking a lot.
    That's good, if someone is willing to invest substantial time talking to you, they can't possibly dislike you. While he may not ready for a romantic relationship, all of my relationships (and I assume this is true for many ENFJs) have developed out of strong friendships. I need to really know a person before I fall in love with them. I can't conceive picking up girls at parties or whatever.

    How does an ENFJ act when they aren't interested in pursuing a non-platonic relationship with you?
    Depends on how explicit or obvious you are about your interest. ENFJ's don't like to harm people. If I know of someone's romantic interest in me, I tend to avoid them physically (by not being in the same vicinity as them) so that I don't hurt them because I tend to have limited control over what comes out of my mouth when flustered, as I would be around them.

    What kind of body language or expression do they give out? How do they respond to you?
    If I'm interested in someone, but am not willing to express it, I always linger near them without actually interacting with them. Conversations are about commonplace topics because I try to avoid talking about emotions because, as @kiwigrl mentioned, I don't want to give myself away before I'm certain my feelings are reciprocated.

    How can you indicate whether an ENFJ actually wants to be romantically affiliated with you?
    When I am inclined to be more open about it, I'm extremely friendly and goofy to be more fun and dynamic, "accidentally run into you" a lot (read as: I plant myself where I know she'll pass through), small gestures like "conveniently" having your favorite chocolate. I basically internalize your life so that I can relate, though ideally my romantic partner and I would share similar interests already. If it progresses further, larger but still original gestures of affection come to mind, i.e. homemade gifts, serenading you with music, etc.

    Why does this particular ENFJ ignore me, and then flirtatiously flirts with other females right in front of me?
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    If I'm trying to get over an attachment, or trying to come off as indifferent, I try to associate myself with other people. If I don't think a relationship will work out, I want to at least preserve the friendship that we had before, and to do that both myself and the person will need to believe I am over her so that there is no awkwardness or tension. I guess flirting with others is as much to fool my heart into thinking I'm over her as it is to convey that I am no longer interested.

    Why can he not look me in the eye when he's speaking to me?
    I have this problem too. My friend pointed out that I think way too deeply about what people will think through my mindset, when not everyone thinks the same way I do. I stopped talking to someone, even greeting them when we meet between classes, because I thought it'd be interpreted as an attempt to get closer. It was pointed out that "Hi!" is not an absolute indication of romantic interest.

    And look, I'm not even making any sense anymore.
    Makes perfect sense to me. You won't believe how giddy I get thinking about the girl I love.
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    Quote Originally Posted by penguinfrk View Post
    I don't know how representative of ENFJ males, but answering some of these from my experience....
    Thank you it was very helpful!!!!

    Although I have a few questions (if you don't mind answering, that is):

    - What does it mean when he thinks of us as "just friends"? But bearing in mind he didn't tell me this, in fact he told it to a small group of friends that he doesn't know too well as a friend of mine was trying to find out.
    - What kind of criteria do ENFJs have when it comes to someone as a possible interest? And what about looks (your opinions are more than welcome)?

    Also, I've noticed few more observations:
    - He doesn't compliment me often and it's things like "it is a lovely necklace" and "you're great" although with other girls he freely expresses himself by mentioning compliments like it means nothing
    - He keeps conversation minimal and I ALWAYS initiate them
    - He's very alert around me, but he seems to do the same with everyone else
    - Occasionally he hugs me, like he does everyone.. but he actually wraps his arms around my back and doesn't tuck his fingers in (which he does all the time, you know what I mean right? When you tuck your fingers into your hand and form a gentle fist) and he also pushes me towards him so that my breasts are squeezed against his torso
    - He seems to relaxed and has this nonchalance vibe about him
    - He seems to ignore my requests like for instance - I would sit with a group of friends and then he would walk over towards the group and by the time I've told him to sit down with us he replied with "I'm just about to go over there" and then he politely says "but anyways bye" and I wanted to walk home with him but he said that he would leave later, so I just went home with other people instead
    - He never jokes as much as he used to with me (but this was before I showed actual interest)
    - He seems to observe me more than anyone else and judges me, I can tell from his expressions
    - He's always finding ways to looks through my work such as art and I wouldn't be surprised if it was the same with my Facebook
    - He's very very attentive towards me (sorry if I keep mentioning that, I'm trying to be non biased with these observations, because I don't want to pretend that the liking is mutual)
    - He seems to follow around the crowds I'm in (but that's because we both move around)
    - Linking in with the last post, it almost seems as if he's trying to follow me because he knows that I will start a conversation with him when I see him
    - I've also noticed a few body language signs such as turning his shoulders towards me from an angle and when he's sitting down and talking to people and I when past directly by him he very subtly tucks his knee in even though he doesn't adknowledge me by looking at me - It's almost like he can sense my presence without actually having to sense me - and also, this isn't a reflex because he waits until I've actually walked past and I wasn't even close to touching him so it was unnecessary movement

    So I'm really not sure, he could be but he couldn't be at the same time. Lately I have been even more obvious with my body language and approach to him but his body language and attitude has stayed the same, although it was very very recent (as in yesterday).

    I know exactly how you feel bro, I mean if he could only know how I'd care for him.. I would do almost anything for him, I'd appreciate his talents and I'd treat him as an almost god, plus everyone also mentions how we'd make a perfect couple.

    Sorry for the long reply but please, please could you answer this for me? Or give me some sort of direction with what he thinks about me, from your eyes and then maybe some advice to make the relationship blossom and grow? I would be truly thankful forever

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    Like Penguin, I am not a representation of the ENFJ population either, but I could give you on how I would act in the particular situation. Keep in mind that this is just me, not every ENFJs are like this.

    How does an ENFJ act when they aren't interested in pursuing a non-platonic relationship with you?

    I would still be friendly to you, though I would be very careful in giving you the wrong signals. If you try to advance, I would probably take a step back just to keep the distance. Though if it becomes overwhelming, I would probably avoid you all together.

    What kind of body language or expression do they give out? How do they respond to you?

    I would still treat you as one of my good friends, just like any other friends. But I would be cautious as to not letting you get the wrong message.

    How can you indicate whether an ENFJ actually wants to be romantically affiliated with you?

    In this case, just being around you would make me happy. Just being able to interact and associate with you is enough. Though I would probably be too stubborn or shy to make a move. I might even completely hide it in a social setting because I am just too "cool". Per chance that I am intoxicated, the secret might slip out. ;)

    Why does this particular ENFJ ignore me, and then flirtatiously flirts with other females right in front of me?

    If it was me, I would say I am not interested and that you might be in my space. Even maybe since you seem to throw yourself against me, that I feel a little smothered and feel like I need to give you a sign that I am not interested. Again, this is just what I would do in that situation.

    Why can he not look me in the eye when he's speaking to me?

    Again, I might feel smothered and feel guilty talking to you.


    Overall, the best advice I can give you is to back off. Intrigue him by bringing up subjects that excites him. Show him that you got what it takes to keep his mind engaged. Don't rush at him, he might think that he's "got" you and won't feel like a challenge. ENFJs enjoy challenges, so if you make him "work" for you, I think he'll fall for you eventually. Be genuine and act natural, we detect awkwardness like a hawk. He would appreciate it if he gets to see the "real" you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by feigned angst View Post
    (if you don't mind answering, that is):
    Actually, you're providing as much insight to how people react to my behavior for me as I hopefully am to you, because I do almost everything that he does!
    - What does it mean when he thinks of us as "just friends"? But bearing in mind he didn't tell me this, in fact he told it to a small group of friends that he doesn't know too well as a friend of mine was trying to find out.
    Oh boy! For people who I don't intend to pour my heart out to, I nonchalantly say that we're "just friends" to avoid having to discuss every little thing that makes me love her. If I were asked about a girl I like whose romantic interests I wasn't certain about, I'd say we're "just friends" because I don't want to convey that I adore her in the midst of all the uncertainty. One thing's for sure: if we weren't close or if you were "just another person," I wouldn't use the word "friend." I'm not too thrilled about how Facebook has degraded the meaning of the word "friend."

    - What kind of criteria do ENFJs have when it comes to someone as a possible interest? And what about looks (your opinions are more than welcome)?
    This is, word-for-word, a sticky note that I have on my computer desktop. It's important to keep in mind that I'm terribly, hopelessly romantic, and a teenager (not for the sake of imposing connotations of "teenager" upon myself, but just for the sake of describing my age). Just putting things in perspective. What I look for in romantic partner, or anyone at all:
    1. funny
    2. smart
    3. controlled sociability
    4. expressive, enthusiastic, energetic
    5. fun-loving
    6. romantic
    7. genuine
    8. understanding, compassionate, capacity for sympathy

    You'll notice that appearances don't make the list. As long as she has some self-respect, I don't care. Really, it makes pragmatic sense to dress for comfort, not looks. I don't want to be with someone who can't feel loose and uninhibited in her attire, and has to sacrifice physical comfort to be satisfied with her appearances. Also, ten minutes putting on makeup is ten minutes she could've been spending with me. Yes, I get that some formal venues demand, for courtesy, a level of self-care, but if we're just going to the park, nobody cares. That's really my philosophy on looks.

    Also, I've noticed few more observations:
    - He doesn't compliment me often and it's things like "it is a lovely necklace" and "you're great" although with other girls he freely expresses himself by mentioning compliments like it means nothing
    Verbal compliments are much emptier than behavioral indications. In my opinion, it means nothing for me to say "you're awesome," compared to rushing to you if you drop some books or trip or something and asking "Are you okay?" I'm not sure how clear I'm being about that.
    - He keeps conversation minimal and I ALWAYS initiate them
    - He's very alert around me, but he seems to do the same with everyone else
    I never ever EVER start conversations with girls who I like, not because I don't want to, but because I always second-guess how entertaining and conversation-worthy what I have to say is. I usually end up banking on the safe side, i.e. don't risk talking about something that she may or may not have any clue about...... :P

    I always know when the girl I love is in the room, both because I know of her habits pretty well (so I have a good sense of where she likely is), and because I think I'm pretty observant. A quick glance when I walk through the door will tell me everything I need, and I can recognize her voice and laugh from a mile away, let alone being within 10 meters from myself.

    - Occasionally he hugs me, like he does everyone.. but he actually wraps his arms around my back and doesn't tuck his fingers in (which he does all the time, you know what I mean right? When you tuck your fingers into your hand and form a gentle fist) and he also pushes me towards him so that my breasts are squeezed against his torso
    I don't know about ENFJs, but big, tight hugs are the sweetest things in the world. When it's with the person you love, you never want to let go and you feel like you're flying. It's a thrilling, brilliant feeling, and I often get too lost in that feeling that I can even hurt someone squeezing them too tightly!

    - He seems to relaxed and has this nonchalance vibe about him
    - He seems to ignore my requests like for instance - I would sit with a group of friends and then he would walk over towards the group and by the time I've told him to sit down with us he replied with "I'm just about to go over there" and then he politely says "but anyways bye" and I wanted to walk home with him but he said that he would leave later, so I just went home with other people instead
    - He never jokes as much as he used to with me (but this was before I showed actual interest)
    I generally avoid putting myself in situations where I might feel tension or awkwardness. I'm generally pretty relaxed and carefree, and I don't think nonchalance or easygoingness has anything to do with romantic interest. In fact, if he's super relaxed around you, that's awesome, he doesn't feel queasiness or discomfort around you!

    Until I'm very certain that feelings are reciprocated, I don't like alone time that much. When there's 3 people, I can be silent unless I have something to say. When it's just two, either it's silence, or I need to be involved. Being alone also has this atmosphere of sacred togetherness in my mind, and I do crazy things when I'm alone with people that I reflect upon later and think "Wow I couldn't have just done this instead? What was I thinking?"

    - He seems to observe me more than anyone else and judges me, I can tell from his expressions.
    - He's always finding ways to looks through my work such as art and I wouldn't be surprised if it was the same with my Facebook
    - He's very very attentive towards me (sorry if I keep mentioning that, I'm trying to be non biased with these observations, because I don't want to pretend that the liking is mutual)
    - He seems to follow around the crowds I'm in (but that's because we both move around)
    - Linking in with the last post, it almost seems as if he's trying to follow me because he knows that I will start a conversation with him when I see him.

    - I've also noticed a few body language signs such as turning his shoulders towards me from an angle and when he's sitting down and talking to people and I when past directly by him he very subtly tucks his knee in even though he doesn't adknowledge me by looking at me - It's almost like he can sense my presence without actually having to sense me - and also, this isn't a reflex because he waits until I've actually walked past and I wasn't even close to touching him so it was unnecessary movement
    YES! I observe the people I want to get closer to or get to know better much more closely, because I build relationships/friendships only with people I feel are genuine. I'm always trying to get a sense of who someone is. Each of the things you mentioned is a method of doing so. Your behavior, your artistic mind or imagination, your social interactions, and your conversations. All of these things are synthesized to construct our perception of people.

    If he is unconsciously reacting to you, that means he cares about you! The girl I love had a track meet one day, but I had a really rigorous 4-hour physics exam. We had wished each other good luck, and I went into the exam room. It was cloudy when I walked in. Four hours later, I walked out and it was pouring rain and chilly. The first thought that came to my mind was that she would be cold or might get sick.

    So I'm really not sure, he could be but he couldn't be at the same time. Lately I have been even more obvious with my body language and approach to him but his body language and attitude has stayed the same, although it was very very recent (as in yesterday).

    I know exactly how you feel bro, I mean if he could only know how I'd care for him.. I would do almost anything for him, I'd appreciate his talents and I'd treat him as an almost god, plus everyone also mentions how we'd make a perfect couple.

    Sorry for the long reply but please, please could you answer this for me? Or give me some sort of direction with what he thinks about me, from your eyes and then maybe some advice to make the relationship blossom and grow? I would be truly thankful forever
    Being conspicuously subtle (yes I get the oxymoron) is a good approach, subtle in the sense that they're little things (for instance, your face lighting up into a smile when you run into him), but conspicuous in that they're noticeable.

    Being treated as a god sounds disgusting. We may be idealists, but our fantastical ideals, at least mine, are built on a very balanced relationship characterized by mutual respect and affection. Having a starkly superior and inferior person is inconceivable, and is a terrible relationship dynamic, in my opinion.

    In my mind, I have this scale that ranges Abuse - Neglect - Indifference - Interest - Romance - Desperation. Don't slip into the desperation part of it, we appreciate the little things. I'd rather you pick a small dandelion up off the ground and hand it to me because it reminded you of me on a normal day than to have you show up on my birthday with 10952358 bouquets of flowers.



    Wow, putting my perceptions, thoughts, emotions to words really helped me reflect. Thanks for the insight! :)
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueSpiral View Post
    Like Penguin, I am not a representation of the ENFJ population either, but I could give you on how I would act in the particular situation. Keep in mind that this is just me, not every ENFJs are like this.

    How does an ENFJ act when they aren't interested in pursuing a non-platonic relationship with you?

    I would still be friendly to you, though I would be very careful in giving you the wrong signals. If you try to advance, I would probably take a step back just to keep the distance. Though if it becomes overwhelming, I would probably avoid you all together.

    What kind of body language or expression do they give out? How do they respond to you?

    I would still treat you as one of my good friends, just like any other friends. But I would be cautious as to not letting you get the wrong message.

    How can you indicate whether an ENFJ actually wants to be romantically affiliated with you?

    In this case, just being around you would make me happy. Just being able to interact and associate with you is enough. Though I would probably be too stubborn or shy to make a move. I might even completely hide it in a social setting because I am just too "cool". Per chance that I am intoxicated, the secret might slip out. ;)

    Why does this particular ENFJ ignore me, and then flirtatiously flirts with other females right in front of me?

    If it was me, I would say I am not interested and that you might be in my space. Even maybe since you seem to throw yourself against me, that I feel a little smothered and feel like I need to give you a sign that I am not interested. Again, this is just what I would do in that situation.

    Why can he not look me in the eye when he's speaking to me?

    Again, I might feel smothered and feel guilty talking to you.


    Overall, the best advice I can give you is to back off. Intrigue him by bringing up subjects that excites him. Show him that you got what it takes to keep his mind engaged. Don't rush at him, he might think that he's "got" you and won't feel like a challenge. ENFJs enjoy challenges, so if you make him "work" for you, I think he'll fall for you eventually. Be genuine and act natural, we detect awkwardness like a hawk. He would appreciate it if he gets to see the "real" you.
    Thanks for the reply first and foremost.

    And I also want to thank how realistic your reply was, I often get skeptical around these sorts of issues and I just needed some clarification from people like you who could relate into some of the issues raised in this thread.

    Also, how do you get an ENFJ drunk? This sounds like an awesome plan.. or if I get real drunk then he can't decline my offers of smothering him with hugs.

    Gotcha, I think I will revert back into being the mysterious girl I was once to him but still keep a subtle interest and see how things develop from that, as long as I don't get left at the friend zone....

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    Quote Originally Posted by penguinfrk View Post
    Oh boy! For people who I don't intend to pour my heart out to, I nonchalantly say that we're "just friends" to avoid having to discuss every little thing that makes me love her. If I were asked about a girl I like whose romantic interests I wasn't certain about, I'd say we're "just friends" because I don't want to convey that I adore her in the midst of all the uncertainty. One thing's for sure: if we weren't close or if you were "just another person," I wouldn't use the word "friend." I'm not too thrilled about how Facebook has degraded the meaning of the word "friend."
    Oh what a relief! Apparently when he answered it he looked at the floor whilst saying "No" and then automatically replied with "we're just good friends", although we are friends outside of Facebook we aren't close enough to be affiliated as close friends.

    AMEN on that! Facebook is a terrible idea, and that's why it works.

    Quote Originally Posted by penguinfrk View Post
    This is, word-for-word, a sticky note that I have on my computer desktop. It's important to keep in mind that I'm terribly, hopelessly romantic, and a teenager (not for the sake of imposing connotations of "teenager" upon myself, but just for the sake of describing my age). Just putting things in perspective. What I look for in romantic partner, or anyone at all:
    1. funny
    2. smart
    3. controlled sociability
    4. expressive, enthusiastic, energetic
    5. fun-loving
    6. romantic
    7. genuine
    8. understanding, compassionate, capacity for sympathy

    You'll notice that appearances don't make the list. As long as she has some self-respect, I don't care. Really, it makes pragmatic sense to dress for comfort, not looks. I don't want to be with someone who can't feel loose and uninhibited in her attire, and has to sacrifice physical comfort to be satisfied with her appearances. Also, ten minutes putting on makeup is ten minutes she could've been spending with me. Yes, I get that some formal venues demand, for courtesy, a level of self-care, but if we're just going to the park, nobody cares. That's really my philosophy on looks.
    I'm pretty low maintenance although on special occasions I make a melodramatic transformation, I'm not the most feminine of all girls but I attempt the make the effort sometimes.

    Quote Originally Posted by penguinfrk View Post
    Verbal compliments are much emptier than behavioral indications. In my opinion, it means nothing for me to say "you're awesome," compared to rushing to you if you drop some books or trip or something and asking "Are you okay?" I'm not sure how clear I'm being about that.
    So ENFJs are perhaps more visual/actual then verbal?

    Quote Originally Posted by penguinfrk View Post
    I never ever EVER start conversations with girls who I like, not because I don't want to, but because I always second-guess how entertaining and conversation-worthy what I have to say is. I usually end up banking on the safe side, i.e. don't risk talking about something that she may or may not have any clue about...... :P
    I wouldn't be surprised if my intellect overwhelmed him if I add hah, I kid I'm not a vain pretentious prude.

    Quote Originally Posted by penguinfrk View Post
    I always know when the girl I love is in the room, both because I know of her habits pretty well (so I have a good sense of where she likely is), and because I think I'm pretty observant. A quick glance when I walk through the door will tell me everything I need, and I can recognize her voice and laugh from a mile away, let alone being within 10 meters from myself.
    But he's very indirect with his looking patterns, I can clock when he stares at me but when I look at him he just looks back at me but his eyes are delayed as he shifts them onto some other space.

    Quote Originally Posted by penguinfrk View Post
    I don't know about ENFJs, but big, tight hugs are the sweetest things in the world. When it's with the person you love, you never want to let go and you feel like you're flying. It's a thrilling, brilliant feeling, and I often get too lost in that feeling that I can even hurt someone squeezing them too tightly!
    So these "big, tight hugs" makes a significance right? Because I sure as hell enjoy a close and intimate cuddle. I know exactly how you feel... hugs for me is like a solution for trust, it's like you have your guards up all day and you can kinda feel vulnerable wrapped in his arms because you know he's your first line of defence and that his hug physically is a stronger representation than my own defence mechanism.

    Quote Originally Posted by penguinfrk View Post
    I generally avoid putting myself in situations where I might feel tension or awkwardness. I'm generally pretty relaxed and carefree, and I don't think nonchalance or easygoingness has anything to do with romantic interest. In fact, if he's super relaxed around you, that's awesome, he doesn't feel queasiness or discomfort around you!

    Until I'm very certain that feelings are reciprocated, I don't like alone time that much. When there's 3 people, I can be silent unless I have something to say. When it's just two, either it's silence, or I need to be involved. Being alone also has this atmosphere of sacred togetherness in my mind, and I do crazy things when I'm alone with people that I reflect upon later and think "Wow I couldn't have just done this instead? What was I thinking?"
    This makes so much sense, thank you! I was getting worried that he doesn't enjoy my company.

    Quote Originally Posted by penguinfrk View Post
    YES! I observe the people I want to get closer to or get to know better much more closely, because I build relationships/friendships only with people I feel are genuine. I'm always trying to get a sense of who someone is. Each of the things you mentioned is a method of doing so. Your behavior, your artistic mind or imagination, your social interactions, and your conversations. All of these things are synthesized to construct our perception of people.

    If he is unconsciously reacting to you, that means he cares about you! The girl I love had a track meet one day, but I had a really rigorous 4-hour physics exam. We had wished each other good luck, and I went into the exam room. It was cloudy when I walked in. Four hours later, I walked out and it was pouring rain and chilly. The first thought that came to my mind was that she would be cold or might get sick.
    Awww that's sweet, how long have you had an interest in this girl?

    Quote Originally Posted by penguinfrk View Post
    Being conspicuously subtle (yes I get the oxymoron) is a good approach, subtle in the sense that they're little things (for instance, your face lighting up into a smile when you run into him), but conspicuous in that they're noticeable.
    It's a pretty good oxymoron I may add, thanks for the advice I think I might apply this for when I next see him, and I'll continuously update you with whatever happens.

    Quote Originally Posted by penguinfrk View Post
    Being treated as a god sounds disgusting. We may be idealists, but our fantastical ideals, at least mine, are built on a very balanced relationship characterized by mutual respect and affection. Having a starkly superior and inferior person is inconceivable, and is a terrible relationship dynamic, in my opinion.

    In my mind, I have this scale that ranges Abuse - Neglect - Indifference - Interest - Romance - Desperation. Don't slip into the desperation part of it, we appreciate the little things. I'd rather you pick a small dandelion up off the ground and hand it to me because it reminded you of me on a normal day than to have you show up on my birthday with 10952358 bouquets of flowers.
    When I mean treat him as a god, I mean it in a way that I think so highly of him and that my respect for him is unimaginably huge. I also meant it in the way that it should be felt mutually, and that we both enjoy feeling like gods and treating the other really as a "significant" other.

    I don't think it has reached the desperation phase in the spectrum, I definitely consider it a romance with possible mutuality.

    That's an awesome quote, I might do that one day and see how he responds to the gesture.

    Quote Originally Posted by penguinfrk View Post
    Wow, putting my perceptions, thoughts, emotions to words really helped me reflect. Thanks for the insight! :)
    No, no... I thank you! You have been amazing at helping me clarify my thoughts. I am more than open to listen to this girl you are in love with, what is her MBTI type as far as you know? And how are things going? Please keep me posted.

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    ENFJ - The Givers

    This is a snippet of something I posted on Facebook about me:

    ----------

    On to relationships. Relationships for me are odd. I want to be able to get to know you and I want you to be able to come to me for help if you have any problems. I always want a deep relationship right from the beginning of one, and I'd love to just get right into sharing our deepest, most personal thoughts, as soon as I meet you. I like physical contact, and I want relationships in which I could always greet you with a long, tight hug and in which we could sit--with our bodies physically touching without it seeming odd (I'm not just talking about a 'girlfriend'-type relationship here, I like open-minded guy friends who thinks that it is okay to show emotion and affection towards each other.) However, my ideas always have seemed to freak most people out- making them think that I am weird, so I have basically shifted away from this type of thing when trying to make new friends.

    ... (skipped a bit here)

    Moving on... if I am at all seriously attracted to you, I will almost definitely tell you straight up. The exception to this is that if you have (first) come on to me at all, I will get extremely shy and will probably avoid speaking to you a bit, I will become uninteresting, and I will move and speak rather mechanically.
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