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This is a discussion on Are IQ tests tilted in favor of Intuitive types within the Education & Career Talk forums, part of the Topics of Interest category; Formal IQ tests are tools of neuropsychological evaluation. I am so goddamned sick of people ranting about them as if ...

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    Formal IQ tests are tools of neuropsychological evaluation. I am so goddamned sick of people ranting about them as if they are primarily for sorting people into social hierarchy or as if everyone's personal idea of intelligence is relevant. Ok, we got it, you're only the millionth person to smugly parrot that IQ scores don't predict your capitalistic, class-biased idea of "success." They aren't meant to. Since the vast majority of people have not and never will take a real IQ test, how is this even an issue? There isn't enough data to even rank people with.

    When you come up with a concept of intelligence and a standardized way to operationalize it for determining whether kids need special education services or may have autism (the stuff that IQ tests are actually used for), then you can legitimately compare your concept of intelligence to the one that's tested on IQ tests. Vague, purely philosophical notions about what intelligence "really is" are not a legitimate basis upon which to judge any formal IQ test.
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  2. #32

    To my understanding IQ results favor NTs as the majority of questions are based in abstract logic.

    There has been increased effort to expand applicability across cultures because results were demonstrating favoring certain cultures and countries (Western European, US), but it seems like the tack they are taking is to make questions even more abstract and logic-based, which has its own issues.

    Quote Originally Posted by bentHnau View Post
    Formal IQ tests are tools of neuropsychological evaluation. I am so goddamned sick of people ranting about them as if they are primarily for sorting people into social hierarchy or as if everyone's personal idea of intelligence is relevant. Ok, we got it, you're only the millionth person to smugly parrot that IQ scores don't predict your capitalistic, class-biased idea of "success." They aren't meant to. Since the vast majority of people have not and never will take a real IQ test, how is this even an issue? There isn't enough data to even rank people with.

    When you come up with a concept of intelligence and a standardized way to operationalize it for determining whether kids need special education services or may have autism (the stuff that IQ tests are actually used for), then you can legitimately compare your concept of intelligence to the one that's tested on IQ tests. Vague, purely philosophical notions about what intelligence "really is" are not a legitimate basis upon which to judge any formal IQ test.
    I don't disagree with you in theory but the problem of false social hierarchy based on IQ doesn't not exist just because it's a misuse and the people discussing it are often uninformed. It still has tangible impacts on people's lives.

  3. #33

    Quote Originally Posted by angelfish View Post
    It still has tangible impacts on people's lives.
    I don't think so, people don't talk about IQ where I live.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The red spirit View Post
    I don't think so, people don't talk about IQ where I live.
    And because the people in your area don't talk about it to your personal knowledge, it doesn't have any impact on anyone anywhere?

    People on this site have vocalized that their feelings about themselves and others have been impacted by it. I'm not really sure how you can therefore say that no one is impacted.

  6. #35

    Quote Originally Posted by angelfish View Post
    And because the people in your area don't talk about it to your personal knowledge, it doesn't have any impact on anyone anywhere?

    People on this site have vocalized that their feelings about themselves and others have been impacted by it. I'm not really sure how you can therefore say that no one is impacted.
    but that number doesn't even mean 0.1% of human population

  7. #36

    Quote Originally Posted by The red spirit View Post
    but that number doesn't even mean 0.1% of human population
    .1% of the population is still seven million four hundred thousand people...

    I don't mean to just tit-tat quarrel with you. I just do think it ends up having a systemic impact. For example - some schools identify "gifted" children based on IQ testing, test performance, etc. I was in a "high achieving" program in a public high school and it was almost entirely composed of middle-to-upper-class white students... you know there is something wrong with that in a public school that is at least half minority and low income. The amount of minority and low income kids in "vocational" or non-honors classes was also clearly overrepresented. I think there are a lot of problems that end up feeding into that and misinterpretation of intelligence testing can be one of them.

  8. #37

    Quote Originally Posted by angelfish View Post
    .1% of the population is still seven million four hundred thousand people...

    I don't mean to just tit-tat quarrel with you. I just do think it ends up having a systemic impact. For example - some schools identify "gifted" children based on IQ testing, test performance, etc. I was in a "high achieving" program in a public high school and it was almost entirely composed of middle-to-upper-class white students... you know there is something wrong with that in a public school that is at least half minority and low income. The amount of minority and low income kids in "vocational" or non-honors classes was also clearly overrepresented. I think there are a lot of problems that end up feeding into that and misinterpretation of intelligence testing can be one of them.
    maybe only where you live

  9. #38

    Quote Originally Posted by The red spirit View Post
    maybe only where you live
    I'm not really sure what the point of shrugging it off is. Regardless of how tiny or widespread the issue may be anyone can be part of the solution very easily by simply not using or advocating usage of IQ where it doesn't apply. This seems like what should be done anyway.

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    I score pretty poorly in IQ tests (119 last test). I seem to score highest in linguistics and pattern recognition but suck in general in the numerical component. I've never had any kind of affinity for math. I can do all the usual mid-level university math but it doesn't come easily nor do I find it particularly interesting. Where I'm 'exceptional' though is distinguishing between extremely close hues, but that isn't a skill that's useful for anything. So I can tell if a paint tint is every so slightly off....big deal. What real world application does that relate to?
    Last edited by EndsOfTheEarth; 01-29-2017 at 02:11 AM.

  11. #40

    Quote Originally Posted by angelfish View Post
    I'm not really sure what the point of shrugging it off is. Regardless of how tiny or widespread the issue may be anyone can be part of the solution very easily by simply not using or advocating usage of IQ where it doesn't apply. This seems like what should be done anyway.
    Why should we care about issue, that almost no one has and it's only linked to some people, that cannot understand what IQ means (they have name imbecile).


     
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