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Are IQ tests tilted in favor of Intuitive types

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#1 ·
From my understanding IQ tests have multiple answers, some obvious and others more hidden.
The more hidden answers you get the higher your IQ is, so it would seem that if you're naturally intuitive the test would be in your favor while someone who naturally looks for the fastest solution would get a lower IQ.
Is this really true?
If so why don't they tell you this?


If this was already discussed, sorry I couldn't find it using the search button.
 
#5 ·
I would love to take an IQ test, but I'm honestly afraid that I'll score really low and feel bad about myself.
I tend to choose whats most obvious when I'm taking these kinds of tests, and tend to feel unsure when I look for "hidden" answers as tend to feel that the most obvious answer should be the correct one.
 
#55 ·
TBH< I don't give a shit if a test says I have a low IQ.

You know what having a high does to people? It convinces them that they are naturally brilliant, that they already know everything, they don't put in the effort to learn. They could know fuck all about anything but since they supposedly have a high IQ they are correct, everyone else is wrong.

IQ is about potential, how smart you can be with hard work. Anyone who believes they already know everything will put in no effort to learn, they'll allow their brain to stagnate meanwhile those who put in the work will easily surpass them.
 
#8 ·
As an adult timed tests penalize cautious and creative thought processes. Adults just need enough intelligence and knowledge to complete most items and enough stupidity to do it like a robot. It can tell reliably if a kid is intellectually precocious or retarded. It was designed for that purpose anyway.

For adults, life is the test. If you can solve what no one solves, if you can invent what no one invents, you're smart. Or else you're average. And if you think you're smart despite not achieving any creative greatness, you're most likely below average.

Quite a few decades ago, a bunch of american savant idiots did a large scale IQ experience and kept track of the young students whose score was above 130. It occurs that many years later, two nobel prize winners who participated to that experience scored a tad BELOW 130, barely failing the test, and none of those above achieved anything significant.
 
#15 · (Edited)
For adults, life is the test. If you can solve what no one solves, if you can invent what no one invents, you're smart. Or else you're average. And if you think you're smart despite not achieving any creative greatness, you're most likely below average..
Sorry if this is a bad argument but here we go.

If you had 2 people and they had the same intelligence, but different personalities, one believes the more obvious choice is the most correct, while the other believe the more complex is the best, and because of that he would get a higher IQ score no?
If the first person knew the more complex the better he would get the same score, no?

then again I don't have any experience with taking IQ tests or how they work for the most part, this is just a thought that came to mind.
 
#9 · (Edited)
From my understanding IQ tests have multiple answers, some obvious and others more hidden.
Which tests are you talking about?

Is this really true?
I don't know about IQ tests in general, but test takers can score more points on one of the verbal subtests of the adult Wechsler if they give more than one definition of the given word.

If so why don't they tell you this?
Speaking of the example I gave above, the test administrator asked me if I had more to add to my answer, but didn't say anything about the scoring specifically.

I assume that would defeat the purpose of the test in some way.
 
#16 ·
@Jeremi intelligence (inter legere) is not solely the ability to find the right answer, but to ask the right question and identify the superior issue. If I had to design an IQ test, instead of presenting one issue at a time, I would present many and ask people to analyze and decide which one is more fundamental. Because that's where all the genius lies.

That is an epistemological aspect of intelligence which is a product of our personalities, or two aspects of a same function. So different personalities cannot perform the same. There is only one epistemologically optimal personality, and a vast array of deviances. Different personalities cannot perform the same when it comes to ask the right question. At best, they can fail at the same point for opposite reasons. The more an issue is fundamental, the more apparent it is.
 
#17 ·
optimal personality
lol

Also, solving and inventing as criteria for intelligence is a flawed concept. Those things only display what a person chooses to do with their mind, they don't measure it. Extremely different things, not to mention slanted to a very specific type of intelligence, it would seem. Creating something for society doesn't make me more intelligent, it just makes me useful. But since people are fundamentally selfish creatures, I'm not at all surprised at this type of judgement.
 
#30 ·
I think an intelligent person will do well on an IQ test no matter their type. IQ tests are not all created equally but the ones who measure multiple types of intelligence are the best.

I watched a documentary about 5 years ago about IQ and they theorized that people who are very gifted at one thing generally score high in every area intelligence. They proved this by having a group of diversly brilliant people take the same series of tests that measure critical thinking, problem solving, math, language, artistic ability and even kinesthetic intelligence. In the end, the same 2 guys scored the highest across the board in every area.
 
#31 ·
Formal IQ tests are tools of neuropsychological evaluation. I am so goddamned sick of people ranting about them as if they are primarily for sorting people into social hierarchy or as if everyone's personal idea of intelligence is relevant. Ok, we got it, you're only the millionth person to smugly parrot that IQ scores don't predict your capitalistic, class-biased idea of "success." They aren't meant to. Since the vast majority of people have not and never will take a real IQ test, how is this even an issue? There isn't enough data to even rank people with.

When you come up with a concept of intelligence and a standardized way to operationalize it for determining whether kids need special education services or may have autism (the stuff that IQ tests are actually used for), then you can legitimately compare your concept of intelligence to the one that's tested on IQ tests. Vague, purely philosophical notions about what intelligence "really is" are not a legitimate basis upon which to judge any formal IQ test.
 
#32 ·
To my understanding IQ results favor NTs as the majority of questions are based in abstract logic.

There has been increased effort to expand applicability across cultures because results were demonstrating favoring certain cultures and countries (Western European, US), but it seems like the tack they are taking is to make questions even more abstract and logic-based, which has its own issues.



I don't disagree with you in theory but the problem of false social hierarchy based on IQ doesn't not exist just because it's a misuse and the people discussing it are often uninformed. It still has tangible impacts on people's lives.
 
#39 · (Edited)
I score pretty poorly in IQ tests (119 last test). I seem to score highest in linguistics and pattern recognition but suck in general in the numerical component. I've never had any kind of affinity for math. I can do all the usual mid-level university math but it doesn't come easily nor do I find it particularly interesting. Where I'm 'exceptional' though is distinguishing between extremely close hues, but that isn't a skill that's useful for anything. So I can tell if a paint tint is every so slightly off....big deal. What real world application does that relate to?
 
#44 ·
Apparently there are more IQ tests than I imagined. The Woodcock-Johnson, for example:

Numerical Reasoning
GfQuantitative ReasoningParticipants must determine numerical sequences and determine a two-dimensional numerical pattern
Concept FormationGfInductionParticipants must identify rules that make up geometric figures after being exposed to concepts.
Analysis SynthesisGfGeneral Sequential ReasoningParticipants must analyze the structure of an incomplete logic puzzle and solve the missing parts
Block RotationGvMental rotation, VisualizationParticipants must choose geometric designs that match another design which have been physically rotated to a different position.
Spatial RelationsGvSpatial RelationsParticipants must select the component parts of whole shape
Pattern RecognitionGvVisual MemoryParticipants must study five images, remember them and recognize them in a larger set of other arranged images.
Visual MatchingGsPerceptual SpeedParticipants must quickly find and circle two identical numbers in a row of six numbers in 3 minutes.
Decision SpeedGsMental Comparison SpeedParticipants must quickly analyze a row of images and mark two images that are the most closely related in 3 minutes.
Cross outGsPerceptual Speed & Rate of Test TakingParticipants must mark drawings that are identical to the first drawing in the row in 3 mins.
Rapid Picture NamingGsNaming FacilityParticipants must quickly name a series of pictures as fast as possible.
Retrieval FluencyGlrIdeational FluencyParticipants must state as many words from specified categories as possible in 1 minute
Visual Auditory Learning : DelayedGlrAssociative MemoryParticipants must recall and relearn (after a 30- minute to 8-day delay) symbols presented in
Visual-Auditory Learning
Visual Auditory LearningGlrAssociative MemoryParticipants must translate visual symbols after being given orally presented words that are associated with them.
Memory For NamesGlrAssociative MemoryParticipants must remember an increasingly large number of names of novel cartoon characters
Memory For Names: DelayedGlrAssociative MemoryParticipants must recall and relearn (after a 30- minute to 8-day delay) names of novel cartoon
Sound BlendingGaPhonetic Coding SynthesisParticipants must listen to a series of individual syllables, individual phonemes, or both that form
words and name the complete words
Incomplete WordsGaPhonetic Coding AnalysisParticipants must listen to words with one or more phonemes missing and name the complete words
Sound PatternsGaSpeech Sound DiscriminationParticipants must indicate whether pairs of complex sound patterns are the same or different. The
patterns may differ in pitch, rhythm, or sound
content
Auditory Working MemoryGsmWorking MemoryParticipants must listen to a mixed series of words and digits and then to rearrange them by first
saying the words in order and then the numbers
Numbers ReversedGsmWorking MemoryParticipants must repeat a series of random numbers backward
Memory For WordsGsmMemory SpanParticipants must repeat lists of unrelated words in the correct sequence
Memory For SentencesGsmMemory SpanParticipants must repeat complete sentences
Picture VocabularyGcLexical KnowledgeParticipants must name familiar and unfamiliar pictured objects
Verbal ComprehensionGcLanguage Development & Lexical KnowledgeParticipants must name familiar and unfamiliar pictured objects and then say words similar in meaning to
word presented, say words that are opposites in
meaning to the word presented, and complete
phrases with words that complete analogies
General InformationGcGeneral InformationParticipants must provide characteristics of objects by responding to
questions, such as “Where you would find . . .?”
and “What you would do with . . .?
Academic KnowledgeGcGeneral InformationParticipants must provide information about biological and physical sciences, history,
geography, government, economics, art,
music, and literature
Oral ComprehensionGcListening AbilityParticipants must listen to a short passage and orally supply the word missing at the end of the passage
Story RecallGcListening AbilityParticipants must listen to a short passage and describe the details
Verbal attention (WJIV only)GsmWorking memory capacityParticipants must listen to a series of numbers and animal words mixed together and answer questions regarding the sequence.
Number series (WJIV only)GfQuantitative reasoningParticipants have to identify the correct number in a series of number that correctly completed the series. Ex. (2,4,?,8,10.....)
Letter-Pattern Matching (WJIV only)GsPerceptual speedParticipants must quickly find and circle identical letters and patterns.
Visualization (WJIV only)GvMental rotation, VisualizationParticipants must identify two sets of 2D pieces that form a specific shape. Participants must also identify two sets of 3D rotated blocks that match another shape.
Phonological Processing (WJIV only)GaPhonetic coding, Word fluencyParticipants must name words that beings with a certain sound. Participants must also use parts of words to create new ones.
Nonword Repetition (WJIV only)GaPhonetic codingParticipants must listen to a nonsense word and repeat the word exactly.
Segmentation (WJIV only)GaPhonetic codingParticipants must listen to words and break it into syllables and phonemes.


Again, doesn't seem like intuitives would have an advantage.
 
#45 ·
I would say the opposite is true where by IQ tests are tilted towards sensors because you are expected to figure out based on what information is available, the value of the unknown. Thus you are concentrating on whats infront of you, not what you remember in your head or what you can make up. Sensors are superior in figuring out the unknown based on the information infront of them.
 
#48 ·
Also, I'll probably be booed for this comment, but I think it can be easy to take MBTI/Jungian types a little too seriously. There have been many cases of people scoring different things on the definitive MBTI at different times of their life, and even Jung, himself admitted that there were aspects to his theory that was problematic. It's a nice thought experiment and idea to follow, and a nice way to realize and develop aspects of yourself that you don't use, but it's really not an exact science.

Definitive IQ tests, however, are very accurate and tried and true determinants of a person's general competence, and predictor of a person's capability to be successful in any given field. If you look at a chart of jobs per IQ, for instance, it's not surprising that more complex jobs and jobs requiring more education had people with higher IQ's, and thus people with higher IQ's are capable of making more money, up to a point. Also more prosperous nations have higher average IQ's than poorer nations and oppressive regimes as are more prosperous states in America. This could be because people with higher IQ's tend to chafe under oppression and their intelligence may afford them more opportunities to emigrate.

So, No, there is no correlation to type and IQ.
 
#50 ·
Ive just posted this elsewhere

just done a few tests online.

First test: scored 134, A superior score.

I am clearly a genius. This shouldn’t really be surprising as I have a masters degree, how could I not have a vastly superior intelligence?

Second test: scored 128, still the web site said I was in the Superior group, 8% of the population

Obviously, I got overly complacent, even arrogant, after scoring so highly on the first test, and my performance suffered.

Third test, 138 scored, A superior score again

Oh my dear EGO is having a massive growth spell, Could it be that I will not be able to get through the door when I leave.

Finally. WHAT A LOAD OF RUBBISH

How on earth can a website with unscientific tests claim that I am a genius using juts 20 questions

Firstly I did not try to answer all the questions correctly. I rushed through and couldn't be bothered on some taxing questions, after all this is not a PhD paper

Checking over the questions I failed to answer correctly I notice that I only scored 30-40% of the questions correctly.

Could it be that these websites are just for making money?

As far as I am aware you really need a fully trained professional to do the tests for you. It costs a lot of money and the tests take hours. I have completed one many years ago.

My real score back then 127, which means absolutely nothing to me
 
#52 ·
all tests are "tilted" in favor of the people who do well on them...that's what tests are designed to do...so the 50-yard dash is tilted in favor of sprinters, the marathon in favor of distance runners, basketball in favor of tall, lean athletes, etc...if intuition is a significant component of iq, then, yes, iq tests favor intuition
 
#53 ·
all tests are "tilted" in favor of the people who do well on them...that's what tests are designed to do...so the 50-yard dash is tilted in favor of sprinters, the marathon in favor of distance runners, basketball in favor of tall, lean athletes, etc...if intuition is a significant component of iq, then, yes, iq tests favor intuition
but unlike the 50-yd dash, the marathon, basketball, etc, that favor sprinters, long-dist runner, etc, iq tests aren't designed to favor intuition, per se...it just happens that people who use intuition well also do well on iq tests...so iq tests unintentionally favor intuition--they're not deliberately "tilted" in favor of intuition
 
#83 ·
I think it kinda does favor intuitive types because it's about finding patterns which and intuitive is great at.
But only up to a certain point. Because the smartest develop more creative hypotheses to solve an item, and are more cautious in their judgments. So they waste tons of time unless they already know how IQ tests work, how limited is the level of expected reasoning and attention. Being timed and not providing items that test the full extent of reasoning abilities, IQ tests favor those who aren't very cautious thinkers, or don't think much bigger than the item.
 
#58 ·
They probably do, but IQ says very little of anything. Sure, someone who has a lower IQ might have to put in more time to get good at certain academic subjects, than someone with a higher IQ (maybe). But that's about it.

If someone is interested enough in learning complex theories (something often associated with N types) then they will work hard enough for it. IQ is pretty much irrelevant.
 
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