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This is a discussion on Are IQ tests tilted in favor of Intuitive types within the Education & Career Talk forums, part of the Topics of Interest category; Originally Posted by ae1905 you lack even common sense...here is one study that looked at the correlation between iq and ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ae1905 View Post
    you lack even common sense...here is one study that looked at the correlation between iq and years of education:
    Did you look up the average IQ for each of the subjects you were talking about? They're all about the same. You citing a general estimation based on education to try to prove anything is just grasping at straws now.

    the average doctor has the same iq as the average phd...(the average lawyer has a jd not a lld and we can assume has a somewhat lower iq than llds)...but professors aren't average phds...they're (by and large) the best phds, the ones most capable of doing original research...so professors have higher iqs than doctors and lawyers (as a group)...but that isn't all...physicists and mathematicians have higher iqs than other scientists and people in the humanities (and medicine and law)...so their average is even higher than average professors...so, all told, we can conclude the average iq of academic physicists and mathematicians is much higher than the average iq of doctors and lawyers

    which is the result one would expect....if one had any common sense

    I can't believe anyone is disputing this

    Yet IQ scores among the professions don't support what you're saying. Look, no one is saying top research professors aren't an intelligent group. Most top research professors of science are indeed very intelligent. It's simply that your comparison isn't equivalent. You're comparing a relatively small elite group of researchers from around the world to an average professional. Compare the best from each field and you'll find the differences are negligible. No one at the highest levels of achievement are engaging in the intellectual equivalent of a pissing contest. That's not only counter-productive but kind of dumb.

    most are family doctors and lawyers

    I said ACADEMIC physicists and mathematicians
    Just like how most academic physicists and mathematicians perform any research at all, let alone original research.

    LOL

    no, it's clear you have never worked as a researcher
    I actually have but that's really beside the point. You have an unrealistic view of academic research. Not every professor is a star researcher and most don't conduct any research at all, which you don't seem to be understanding. So compare apples to apples. If you want to compare elite researchers in science then compare them to the best and brightest among any given profession. They'll all have a global audience and you're not going to find any bickering over who's the most intelligent of them all. That honestly just sounds silly writing that out. lol

    in what way does collaboration disqualify research from being internationally competitive?!...if anything, collaborations are more likely to happen the more important the problem
    The most competitive aspect of academia is gaining a tenure seat as a professor. Research itself tends to be very collaborative, which was the opposite of what you were originally claiming. Although I would agree that collaboration is great as that leads to a greater pooling of resources toward a problem.

    and in what way is repeating experimental work not worthy of the attention of researchers around the world?...replicating results is a fundamental part of the scientific process...the more important the result, the more important the work of confirmation (or disconfirmation)....for example, when pons and fleschman reported the discovery of cold fusion, was the attempt by many researchers around the world to replicate their results "unimportant" or "unworthy of being considered by researchers everywhere"?
    My point is, that it's the academic equivalent of a lawyer owning a small practice or a doctor being a family physician. It's not glamorous but very much important.

    Originally Posted by ae1905
    most doctors and lawyers, otoh, do not serve clients around the world...they're local doctors and lawyers who serve their neighbors

    ;)
    ;)

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    I wonder how many people here have heard of the Flynn Effect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiver View Post
    I wonder how many people here have heard of the Flynn Effect.
    Anyone whose looked into IQ will more than likely know what the Flynn Effect is. What about it?

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    Thread Warning:

    Please discuss without resorting to name calling, personal attacks, or inflammatory language.

    Inflammatory posts only serve to derail productive discussions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scoobyscoob View Post
    Anyone whose looked into IQ will more than likely know what the Flynn Effect is. What about it?
    Well I just found it interesting that the topic would be raised about the average IQ regarding certain levels of education. A thought I immediately had was, "In what era?" Are today's high school dropouts the equivalent to past eras' college graduates, by that measure? Shouldn't this be cause for some questions?

    But then I find the whole tendency to focus so much on IQ to be along the lines of mental wanking or wishful thinking to inflate one's sense of self-worth. Some people could stand to realize that they don't need to stake so much of their identity on that kind of index or what deeds they attribute to it, as it limits their growth as a person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiver View Post
    Well I just found it interesting that the topic would be raised about the average IQ regarding certain levels of education. A thought I immediately had was, "In what era?" Are today's high school dropouts the equivalent to past eras' college graduates, by that measure? Shouldn't this be cause for some questions?

    But then I find the whole tendency to focus so much on IQ to be along the lines of mental wanking or wishful thinking to inflate one's sense of self-worth. Some people could stand to realize that they don't need to stake so much of their identity on that kind of index or what deeds they attribute to it, as it limits their growth as a person.
    Well, the Flynn Effect is only documented from a relatively modern time (the 1930s) and it mostly explains the rapid urbanization of much of the advanced world during the time. Which is what mainly accounts for increase in IQ per decade. I wouldn't be surprised in the Flynn Effect isn't as valid in the US today as it was during the mid to late 20th century. The Flynn Effect may be taking effect in developing nations like China that is currently experiencing rapid urbanization.

    Well, you have to take IQ for what it is. Which is a measure of an aspect of a person's fluid intelligence in the areas we discussed before. I think some do take IQ and in the broader sense, intelligence seriously but it may be because that person highly values intelligence and would want to select a partner who has much of it to pass on as offspring. No different than wanting a partner with blue eyes, or is of a certain height, build, etc. It's just another attribute than some people look for in a partner. There's nothing wrong with that as humans have been self selecting traits they want in a partner for as long human societies existed. I think it's best to not be too judgmental as personal preferences are just that, personal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scoobyscoob View Post
    Well, the Flynn Effect is only documented from a relatively modern time (the 1930s) and it mostly explains the rapid urbanization of much of the advanced world during the time. Which is what mainly accounts for increase in IQ per decade. I wouldn't be surprised in the Flynn Effect isn't as valid in the US today as it was during the mid to late 20th century. The Flynn Effect may be taking effect in developing nations like China that is currently experiencing rapid urbanization.

    Well, you have to take IQ for what it is. Which is a measure of an aspect of a person's fluid intelligence in the areas we discussed before. I think some do take IQ and in the broader sense, intelligence seriously but it may be because that person highly values intelligence and would want to select a partner who has much of it to pass on as offspring. No different than wanting a partner with blue eyes, or is of a certain height, build, etc. It's just another attribute than some people look for in a partner. There's nothing wrong with that as humans have been self selecting traits they want in a partner for as long human societies existed. I think it's best to not be too judgmental as personal preferences are just that, personal.
    Even in such a "short" amount of time, the creeping amount is relevant and should be cause for questioning. I don't give much of a damn about IQ in general, but I also think it's a rather silly crutch for self-perception, particularly among a certain type of person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiver View Post
    Even in such a "short" amount of time, the creeping amount is relevant and should be cause for questioning. I don't give much of a damn about IQ in general, but I also think it's a rather silly crutch for self-perception, particularly among a certain type of person.
    Of course one should never uncritically accept what one is told, but most of the effect is due to a larger portion of the population moving to an urban city where there would be much more constant stimulation available than to someone who lives in a small town or rural area.

    Yes, like I was saying. Take IQ for what it is. Just because you don't care about it doesn't mean it's worthless, as you're not the arbiter of what's worthy or not. Some people may just value intelligence very highly, for the reasons I've already stated. I think it's best not to read too much into the motivations of some people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scoobyscoob View Post
    Of course one should never uncritically accept what one is told, but most of the effect is due to a larger portion of the population moving to an urban city where there would be much more constant stimulation available than to someone who lives in a small town or rural area.

    Yes, like I was saying. Take IQ for what it is. Just because you don't care about it doesn't mean it's worthless, as you're not the arbiter of what's worthy or not. Like I was saying, some people may just value intelligence very highly. For the reasons I've already stated. I think it's best not to read too much into the motivations of some people.
    But reading into things is what I do. Others don't have to accept me as arbiter, but who gives a damn what they think anyway? B)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiver View Post
    But reading into things is what I do. Others don't have to accept me as arbiter, but who gives a damn what they think anyway? B)
    You really only need to do so when necessary. Otherwise you'd have your time better spent enjoying some milk and cookies. Well with that kind of an attitude you may never have the opportunity to. ;)


     
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