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What is your stance on [extraordinary] rendition?

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Extraordinary rendition is "the extrajudicial transfer of a person from one state to another, particularly with regard to the alleged transfer of suspected terrorists to countries known to torture prisoners or to employ harsh interrogation techniques that may rise to the level of torture."

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Wow, I'm surprised nobody has said anything at all on this.

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Personally, I think it is completely messed up and inhumane to commit extraordinary rendition. The things they do to the prisoners they don't even have solid evidence for is horrible; it's be horrible no matter how you look at it.I can see the reason for them doing this, but I personally can't see myself ever supporting something like this.

[Happy]

I am not an expert on this issue but I will go by what the "Wanted" movie said... Kill one to save a thousand. I personally can't do it, but I have no say on what people can and will do.

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I am not an expert on this issue but I will go by what the "Wanted" movie said... Kill one to save a thousand. I personally can't do it, but I have no say on what people can and will do.

Honestly though, killing doesn't solve anything. Many of the prisoners are completely innocent, and are tortured so severely that death isn't much of a difference for them. I watched a 60 minutes episodes on this, and an innocent civilian from Germany was tortured for 5 years. The only reason they had for kidnapping and torturing him was because he married a Turkish girl and took a trip to Pakistan. If the person doesn't know anything, he doesn't know anything, it's as simple as that.

[Aurora Fire]

Torture does not work for the simple reason hat people will say anything to make it stop.

[Shai Gar]

I am not an expert on this issue but I will go by what the "Wanted" movie said... Kill one to save a thousand. I personally can't do it, but I have no say on what people can and will do.

Sure, I can get behind the idea of "Kill one to save a thousand". However, killing one, where there's no benefit because he knows nothing and is innocent of all accusations, is doesn't even slightly err on the side of "necessary evil", it's just plain evil.

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Sure, I can get behind the idea of "Kill one to save a thousand". However, killing one, where there's no benefit because he knows nothing and is innocent of all accusations, is doesn't even slightly err on the side of "necessary evil", it's just plain evil.

I agree, and how many innocent people will you have to kill before you reach that one person that actually is not innocent? If you look at the big picture, it's not kill one, save a thousand; it's kill a thousand, save a thousand.

[Shai Gar]

rather, kill ten thousand save a thousand.

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rather, kill ten thousand save a thousand.

I suppose that would be more accurate ;)

[Dharma Ga]

It's a tricky question. Generally I have no probs with rendition, though again, there would have to be concrete evidence that the person is actually guilty of terrorism. For the argument that tortured would say anything to make it stop, yes, that is most likely, but there is also the chance that they may say something vital. Also it is much easier to say no to such horrendous methods if you haven't been affected by it personally. If 9/11 could have been prevented by the use of torture even if it was a very slim chance for it to be effective, you wouldn't agree with it?

Also, as harsh as it will sound a lot of people are hypocrits when it comes to issues such as this, for example you have the mothers of american soldiers who support their sons fully when they go to war, but when they're killed, the mothers join campaigns like 'Mothers against war' Their grief is understandable, but they're changing stance because they were affected by it personally, Logically, if they supported their sons going to war before their death, they should support the war afterwards, but they don't, and it is not surprising, it's a natural reaction.