[snail]

Were you angry at me?
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[Selene]

You, snail? Why would I ever be angry at you?

Er, I take that back. What I should say is, "I couldn't get angry at you now, because I'm in an amazing mood. But maybe I'll get angry at you in the future?" [hug]

I was listening to two people debating, and they were basically at a standstill where they were both just talking over each other and getting nowhere. And I wasn't able to intervene and point this out because they were too busy getting angry at each other. So, rather than chiding or correcting them, I decided to be my passive-aggressive self and make this thread. But also, I was trying to get some kind of broader insight out of that incident. Unfortunately, isolated incidents tend to not generalize all that well.

[snail]

I almost always get new information from the generalization of isolated experiences. Lately it has been causing trouble, though, because people want me to be in the moment rather than universalizing situations to determine the ethical implications. I can't help it.
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[snail]

This is making me think. Everything I experience is not just that thing, but also everything like it and everything I imagine being potentially like it. When a situation goes badly with a friend, it is never just that situation, but is amplified in my mind, through a hall of mirrors, infinitely reflected. It is that incident and all imagined potential incidents that would have the same pattern. A single failure allowed to go unaltered is representative of all such situations ending in the same failure until the iteration that I willfully carve into another shape, altering the pattern. Any lack of resolution remains until it is resolved, and an object in motion stays in motion unless something acts upon it to alter its course. It isn't always the best choice, to go around nipping buds that may never need it, but it is safer to weed out the danger while it is small than to allow it to grow strong roots, a thick stalk, and sharp thorns.
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[Stars]

1. The goal of debating is not to prove that you're right. It's to reach a consensus which seems true and right to both people.

I'm not okay with simply believing what I believe. I want to convince others that I'm right. How else can I confront those I disagree with? It's either debating them head on, or writing an article...which most likely will turn into a debate.

[TreeBob]

I think in general if you want to avoid arguments, don't be a douche.

1. The goal of debating is not to prove that you're right. It's to reach a consensus which seems true and right to both people.

Where are you from? Debate's main goal is to win. It is a sport. The person who wins the debate is right even if what he said is wrong. A good debater not only knows his stuff but if he doesn't know it he is a master bullshit artist who makes people believe what he is saying is true.

[Kokos]

Where are you from? Debate's main goal is to win. It is a sport. The person who wins the debate is right even if what he said is wrong. A good debater not only knows his stuff but if he doesn't know it he is a master bullshit artist who makes people believe what he is saying is true.

Well that's the clear difference between constructive debates with open minded people to make the light on a subject and rhetoric battles without goal you do at a pub with people completely drunk.

You just need to know with who and why you are debating

[TreeBob]

Well that's the clear difference between constructive debates with open minded people to make the light on a subject and rhetoric battles without goal you do at a pub with people completely drunk.

Maybe that is how an INFP debates but I know INTP, ENTP, ENFP etc.. they want to win. It doesn't matter what you say here, i know this. It is human nature.

[snail]

Haha, I debate much better when I'm drunk, but it isn't a competition. In fact, I am more like an INTP when I'm drunk, and don't get upset as easily. It feels less urgent and important.
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[Kokos]

Maybe that is how an INFP debates but I know INTP, ENTP, ENFP etc.. they want to win. It doesn't matter what you say here, i know this. It is human nature.

It must definitely be human nature to want to prove the other wrong to take an upper position, not sure if it's a type question, i guess it depends of the maturity of the people you are debating with and of how much importance they attach to their ego.