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This is a discussion on Would you go out with a stripper? within the The Debate Forum forums, part of the Topics of Interest category; Originally Posted by Dick YouTube - Chris Rock - No Sex in the Champagne Room *Unsensored* I got a hand ...
Last edited by ape; 09-29-2009 at 07:19 AM.
If she bought me shit.
Sure--strippers need love too. :)
Two of my best friends dates strippers... My one friend actually had relationships with more than one (at different times)... They all ended badly. When you put yourself in that type of an environment its kind of expected that bad things will happen. Both of my friends were cheated on.
And sure, strippers make tons of money- but do you realize that there are drugs in that type of an environment? So sure, they can make a crap load of money, but how much is being spent on coke to keep them awake till the butt crack of dawn?
This is the typical case of stereotyping. I'm sure there are respectful, drug free girls that strip, but in reality- is that the majority? Probably not.
Thats not even going into the moral degredation that comes from taking your clothes off in front of some horny, disgusting, middle aged dirt ball thats drooling over you but could never get a girl that looks like that in real life.
Last edited by JennaRae; 09-28-2009 at 08:42 PM. Reason: ...
My intuition tells me....no......obviously.
i have to say no as well..... but its more for the principals i stand for, everyone have thier own beliefs and i think that stripping is not right, i dn belive in the nudist ideology as well...... i think that there should be dignity to be sustained and feeding on other people's lust is not something to be proud of either
and if making money makes it ok then would you marry an assasin? ^^they make tons of money .....
as for the personality gig, its teh same i dont belive in the ideology of stripping, thus personalities dont get along and this is fundamental to me.... its not about typical male behavior in my opinion its basics of being a human ... to respect thyself and thy body
also mad once asked if your wife lied to you would you leave her if you found out she was a stripper... concerning that question its a yes because she lied in not telling me .... you cannot base right on wrong .... if she stopped being a stripper and told me about that before i would be able to sort it out/ or not depending on how we deal with it TOGETHER
but lying makes it worse .... marriage isnt a joke and if she didnt trust me enough to think that i'd be talking it out then how does she expect me to be forgive her :) if i was a child at first in her eyes that wont handle the truth i'd rather not take the chances after i found out on my own
not because i believe stripping (or supporting it) is 'wrong'..because i don't AT ALL.
if a woman chooses to make her money that way, thats her choice. for those people that spend significany money for that type of...ah stimulation/attention...that's their perogative as well. noone is 'wrong' in those actions, alone.
hell, strippers are doin a lotta the same stuff everyone else is doing...sometimes more, sometimes less, sometimes more frequently, and sometimes not even as frequently...as a number of other females (not to be sexist, but general) who are NOT strippers are out there doing. except they're just improving their economic situation doing so.
different strokes (no pun intended) for different folks....but PERSONALY, no way. I've got my own personal standard/requirements.
Paragraph 1--As far as dignity goes--is that a make or break trait in 'going out' with someone?? What if someone were merely a mailman or a UPS delivery person. Not extremely dignified occupations (in terms of warranting esteem/respect)
Also, Who said the stripper was necessarily proud? Does mentioning this point really make a difference?
Not that I disagree with you about the 'respect' of one's body...and I know you realize that beliefs differ on this board and elsewhere...but there are different degrees of respect...who's to say that stripping isn't, in some light--not necessarily entirely, a realization and celebration/acceptance of the human body and sexuality?? (outside of religion and unbased morals/ethics there's nothing against this)
And what if the stripper is 'respected' in her industry and/or place of work? Does that change anything?
All of that said, I hear where you are coming from...I just think the explanation is a bit porous.
I always find topics like this interesting, because often you have people going on about how a job has no effect on personality. As well as, people going off on how it's completely immoral, to objectify a woman and their doing it to themselves. If you ask said person why it is ethically wrong, they often don't have a very good explanation, however if given enough time and enough arguing they'll tend to figure out exactly what is wrong with it.
Here's my view on the topic, firstly stripping is a rather extreme proffesion. No little girl (or boy) grows up saying I want to be a stripper when I grow up. If they do their is almost definitely some very, very serious family issues taking place at home. (Family member is molesting them, or some extreme form of abuse.) So in order to answer this question well the thing you have to understand is why they are doing it in the first place. Everybody has a motivation for doing what they do and putting up with what they put up with. A stripper has to put up with a lot, (Dealing with social stigma, self esteem issues from being leered at by creepy guys, or drunk punks all night. Family and social support backlash, (associated with the social stigma.) Their's also the fact that most of them feel terrible about themselves because they've given up something private and special to complete strangers. Not just nudity but the sexuality associated with it, (for women especially) is biologically programmed in us to be selective who we share this with, not just everyone. Their acting against instinct, and thus feel like their acting against their own moral compass. Their are psychological, reasons why they would be willing to do this, or even glad too but they lead to some very troubling issues as well.)
So you need to look at the benefits and how they could propel someone into an occupation with so many down sides. (as ape said strippers cry a lot, and as was mentioned before drugs are a serious issue in the occupation.) Firstly the money is excellent, for most of them this has to do with fueling a drug habit. That they become dependent on in order to live the life style they need to support the drug habit until they get to old to support themselves with stripping and have to move to worse more degrading work. (prostitution.) They could also be doing it for a short time, in order to pay for colleage however frequently this turns into a long term thing. The money is too good to stop and go to colleage and thus the best of intentions gets warped and they get stuck in the same pattern as the ones listed before. It also shows a sincere disregard for personal respect and growth in favor of monetary gain and a quick easy solution. It shows things I see as serious, developmental and decision making issues that will come back to haunt them and bite them in the ass.
Next it could be a simple issue of them having absolutely no, or little issue with objectifying themselves. Or enjoy the attention they get from doing it, which once again is quite revealing. This usually shows, either self- confidence issues. (daddy wasn't their, or wasn't very pleasant to them. Because of this their trying to prove their self worth to themselves and looking for love from other males.) Or a history of sexual abuse, (this is normal behavior to them and they are trying to recreate familiar patterns from their life because the fear of the unknown is overpowering their disgust for their current actions. (same reason why people who where abused tend to grow up to be abusers, and search for other abusive relationships.) Thus they are once again very damaged and sad individuals, and will probably resort to drug use in order to cope with the emotional pain they go through on a daily bases.
Strippers in general, are emotionally damaged, self destructive, and materialistic. These are qualities that are never a good idea to start a relationship based around. Their are some exceptions, that may not have all of these traits, but almost definitely 99.999993 percent of the time if not greater odds that they have at least one of these self destructive traits. It doesn't say anything about their personality and in all honesty I think it's really sad that they have lived the life they have.
So in conclusion to answer the question, I wouldn't date the average stripper. However that one in a million magic stripper, that isn't an emotional wreck, self destructive, and stuck in a cycle of abuse I would if I loved her. If I respected her, (not her occupation but her.) If I could trust her (which in all honesty would be incredibly hard considering the odds of her being royally screwed up.) and if I was attracted to her. (Which once again doubtful, because she'd look fake and her sexuality would all be and act. I prefer naturalness and sweetness, maybe to a point of playful innocence.) So odds are I wouldn't date a stripper, not because of masculine pride but because I couldn't fix her and I'd feel terrible every day was with her because she was so unhappy, and I was so powerless to do anything about it.