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1) Do you think wives should allow their husbands to have 'authority' over them?
2) Should men always be the head of the household?
3) Is it the natural order of things for men to have dominion over women in general?
Please give a thorough explanation as to why you believe what you do.
1) Should allow? If the woman in question wanted to allow this situation, cool for her. If she wanted to change her mind at a later stage, and rescind the authority, then also cool, though it would call into question whether the authority ever truly existed in the first place. Of course, it seems a bit strange to me to restrict this question in this way, as the same question could be asked in reverse (as could the next two for that matter).
2) There is no reason why anyone should "head" the household, unless one member of the relationship is clearly a moron. There is nothing in the nature of men or women that predisposes either to any pre-set position.
3) There is no "natural order" as regards social interactions of this kind. And there is no reason why anyone should have "dominion" over anyone else. Determining societal dominance on the basis of chromosomes and genitals makes no rational sense, as does making this determination on the basis of any other physical difference.
Only if they choose to allow such authority and, even then, they should have the right to remove that authority if they so choose. As long as the woman has the choice, it's fine, although if I was married I wouldn't want to have authority over my partner, but she would be my equal, and we would share authority as a couple.Originally Posted by KINGoftheAMAZONS
No. Having certain genitalia does not give anyone the right to be the head of the household. The husband and wife should be equal, with both being the head of the household. If a couple want to have a more traditional marriage where the man is head of the house, that's their choice, but there should always be room for change if the woman wants change.2) Should men always be the head of the household?
No, this is mostly a societal, cultural and religious concept that should be discarded from society. Men have no natural dominion over women.3) Is it the natural order of things for men to have dominion over women in general?
I would like @KINGoftheAMAZONS to provide his/her answers to the questions posed. It's only fair.
1) Do you think wives should allow their husbands to have 'authority' over them?
No, unless they want it that way.
2) Should men always be the head of the household?
No. Why should they be?
3) Is it the natural order of things for men to have dominion over women in general?
No. The idea of natural law is a load of crap. Furthermore, even if there were such things as "natural social orders," why should that be ethically relevant?
I'd like to thank you all for your responses.
1) Do you think wives should allow their husbands to have 'authority' over them?
Personally, I believe that marriages/relationships should be based on partnership equality. However, if a man or a woman chooses to let their significant other have authority over them, then I support their choice. Because it's just that, a choice. No woman should ever be made to feel that she 'has' to be lorded over by her husband (or anyone for that matter). And she shouldn't be seen as uncouth if she decides not to be ruled.
2) Should men always be the head of the household?
I do not believe in 'head of the households'. I think this is just another way to implement rankism and classism into society, in which women always get pushed to the lower end of the totem pole. But again, if a man or a woman wanted their significant other to be the head of their household, then I support their right to make that choice.
3) Is it the natural order of things for men to have dominion over women in general?
No, it is not the natural order for men to have dominion over women. It is a man-made status quo that makes its foundation on misogyny, that has decided that men should have authority over women. Just like with questions 1 & 2, no one has ever been able to provide me with rational evidence supporting the theory of male dominion of women.
My theory is that in ancient times male SJs instituted these 'customs', and justified it by pointing out that men are generally physically stronger than women, and thus superior. This theory was then supported and propagated by SPs and SJs (male and female) due to their traditional nature. And because both SPs and SJ's together represents the majority of the population (correct me if I'm wrong), these customs have been imposed on generation after generation, under the fallacy that it's the natural order when it's really more of a common belief of the majority.
Last edited by KINGoftheAMAZONS; 07-10-2011 at 01:13 PM.
Just to play the devil's advocate, how would you answer the following: (**just a side note. All of these statements were presented to me by the actual people who believe in them. I'm not making this up**)
When women are the heads of the household, chaos will always naturally follow because everything is then out of balance.
Men are the penetrators, and thus the leaders. It is their right to be the leader of their household, and the women being the penetrated, should submit to the penetrator's authority.
If a woman rules over her husband, then she sissifies him, and he would never be able to stand up to another man in order to protect her.
Only a selfish woman would rebel against her husband's right to be her head. A woman should show her love to her husband by respecting him, and in order to do that she must submit to him.
It is because of feminism that women have confused their natural roles in their relationships, and homes.
Just because a man is supposed to be the head of the household does not mean that he is allowed to be an abusive tyrant. He is to love and take care of his wife, and she is to submit to his authority, and take care of her wifely and motherly duties. If she accepts her natural role then life would be so much easier for her, as the stress of providing for her family would not be on her shoulders.
When women are the heads of the household, chaos will always naturally follow because everything is then out of balance.
I'd want some evidence to back this up. This sounds kind of like a "It is because it is" type argument.
Men are the penetrators, and thus the leaders. It is their right to be the leader of their household, and the women being the penetrated, should submit to the penetrator's authority.
Why are they the leaders? Relating sex to house leadership seems to be taking things out of context.
If a woman rules over her husband, then she sissifies him, and he would never be able to stand up to another man in order to protect her.
I'd say that a man would protect his wife because he loves her and not because she is his property. I mean he could of coarse protect her because of this, but there are many other reasons for doing so. If a man was in trouble, would the women in this relationship not help the man just because he "ruled over her"?
Only a selfish woman would rebel against her husband's right to be her head. A woman should show her love to her husband by respecting him, and in order to do that she must submit to him.
What gives man the right to be her head. Without evidence for this right, the rest of this argument falls apart.
It is because of feminism that women have confused their natural roles in their relationships, and homes.
What natural roles?
Just because a man is supposed to be the head of the household does not mean that he is allowed to be an abusive tyrant. He is to love and take care of his wife, and she is to submit to his authority, and take care of her wifely and motherly duties. If she accepts her natural role then life would be so much easier for her, as the stress of providing for her family would not be on her shoulders.
What makes women less capable of handling this stress? This also implies that only one partner takes on all of the stress. Couldn't it be equally handled?
It's funny how only gender-neutral people have posted on here. Well, except for Zombie Jesus. Can't see what it is.
But to the point. What people do is their business. Who are you to impose your beliefs on others? What gives you the authority to dictate what is right and what is not? Foolishness is what I say.
1) Do you think wives should allow their husbands to have 'authority' over them? No
2) Should men always be the head of the household? No
3) Is it the natural order of things for men to have dominion over women in general? No
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