[Yoite]

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Death Vs immortality.... what is death to you, and which is a curse, death or immortality.... if you had an eternity of time what would it be that you'd want to do? if you are aware of your death what are the things you want to do before you die, and finally do you fear death or not....

if not please submit your worst fear =)

one last thing inspired by the great bon jovi ... if you are to choose how you will die how would it be ? would it be shot down in a blaze of glory ... or rather have the normal settle life and go out without a bang

[NephilimAzrael]

Death Vs immortality.... what is death to you, and which is a curse, death or immortality.... if you had an eternity of time what would it be that you'd want to do? if you are aware of your death what are the things you want to do before you die, and finally do you fear death or not....

if not please submit your worst fear =)

Death is nothing more than life as it goes towards its end.. Life changes and is impermanent.
Immortality. I know this is an argument of semantics, but eternity is a indefinite but not infinite amount of time. To conceive of eternity is to conceive of time, but I personally do not believe that an absolute temporal fabric of existence even exists. The idea is only a repetition of a single conceivable length of time. Which is essentially just a loop en perpetuity rather than an expanse of time itself..

To the point. Death, I accept. Technically we are dying as much as we are living.. If not more in some cases.
I do not fear death, I accept it as a consequence of being alive.

I would do nothing with immortality, even if it were somehow a case of enduring all of time.. By doing nothing, I mean that all that would be done is a slight variation on what I had already done, in each permutation of existence that would occur in my longevity.

My worst fear? Hmm.. Can't say I have one. I have a few minor fears, but by the essence of fear, they are all equal. From the fear of missing that bus, to the fear of my loved ones (and/or myself) being subjected to undue pain and misery for the remainder of our lives - however long that may be).

[Yoite]

Alright, ^^ i was waiting just a bit to see if anyone else will add more replies but it seems not so I will be putting one more reply here answering the questions from my own view...


Balance is the base of the universe, weather we could realize it with outy standards or miss it due to our ignorance.... the same goes for death, from a pure scientific view death is the balance to life, in order for life to continue the resources must balance with the needs and the numbers of life needed (no that doesnt necesserly mean the number of population was supposed to be constant, it only means that the requirments of every soul could count as on individual or several or even less according to it's capacity).

However, that is not the only case....
Death is alot of things combined together, it's the salvation offered to those who were condemned, and the gates of imprisonment to those who were carefree... it is the mystery that confined the destinies over which we cannot predict. it proclaims the soul.

Nevertheless, I belive death has a bit more to it than that.... everyone of us had dreams , when that dream is done you feel a bit of happiness and alot of sadness .... a nostalgic feeling towards very single person and rock you've passed by along your way towards that dream, and that in my personal opinion is the real essence of life .... a quest to realize one big dream that you've had and worked on ever since you were a child until you changed to become a full fledged adult ... and from that to an old man/women sitting on your chair that looks back and all those years and say "it's been a good life" death is the closure to all this, it's the moment you wake up by closing your eyes , waking up to another world where you dont know what will happen next, to ignit that burning spirit of yours to go for another dream .... weather it's reaping the fruit of your previous life or leading a different life or being into the nothingness .... not exactly something anyone would know for sure .... but rather believe it would happen.

if it's my death that is how I'd feel about it .... if it's another person's death i cant help but to think i was lucky to have my time with them .... and they are leading thier own path somewhere else... just like someone who traveled .....I would grief no doubt but not for long for life is not stopping and if there was anything to be done it was to live life so splendidly that the ones who passed away if they look behind would be jealous of not staying behind.



As for my second question ..... would I choose immortality or death , to be honest it depends on the moment of choice and the reasons i have at that moment....

At the following moments I'd choose immortality

I have that urge to learn about everything there is, to learn more and more even if it takes centuries, accumilate experince over experince and meeting alot more strangers, and observing them over time and how they deal with life if they were given what they asked for .... not what they needed

if people offered me that much interest i am willing to choose immortality

If i have a guilt that i cannot forgive permenently, if that happened I would rather stay in this world as a punishment, to look over the world .... I belive if someone committed a sin then he should try as hard as he can to keep it all to his own self .... look for salvation if you want .... but if you cant, at least use your guilt and make the sin all yours ... dont let anyone else share it with you, so when you go down the path of redemption you would walk it alone with no regrets.

So the second would be cursing the exsistance of my unforgivable sin



However otherwise i would want to choose death .... and that would be to reach a closure for my life, everything good must meet an inevidable end , if that is the case then I'd rather move forward each day and look forward for the day it ends ..... only ^^ as I am so greedy I'd ask for one more thing that as I die I'd take all my exsistance along with my ..... not a name to be remembered .... only effect and actions without anyone knowing who did them.... to have one or two remember few things they learned but dn remember who taught them those things and have them teach those things to others.




So immortality is both a blessing and a curse .... while death is only a blessing
for those who will disagree about death being a blessing ..... i only think that because we leave people everyday .... think back at the day you left highschool and the day you left college and how many you've met and didnt meet after ...... even if you live as a memory with some of them that you might not even remember .... you'd still be dead towards them in consideration you no longer know how they are doing nor share thier happiness or sadness. which is an unfortuante truth :) that i worked my way around for long time but cant deny.




as for the question of fear ,,,, no i dont fear death itself .... what i really fear is dying a pointless death ,without realizing my ambition. it's dreadful

with that being said I'd like to thank you again NephilimAzrael for your reply :) it was nice to read

[Roland787]

An old topic to everyone yet it never seize to be interesting when hearing ppl reply

i searched the forums before i post it and there is a related topic so please moderators and admins if the resembelance is high merge them or delete this thread =) and i will post over there

link>>>>>death


Back to topic...

Death Vs immortality.... what is death to you, and which is a curse, death or immortality.... if you had an eternity of time what would it be that you'd want to do? if you are aware of your death what are the things you want to do before you die, and finally do you fear death or not....

if not please submit your worst fear =)

one last thing inspired by the great bon jovi ... if you are to choose how you will die how would it be ? would it be shot down in a blaze of glory ... or rather have the normal settle life and go out without a bang

Death to me is when you die

Which is a curse, death or immortality? not sure if i consider either a curse, death to me would actually seem more of a release to where immortality would be kewl but i guess it could be viewed as a curse if you dont know how to enjoy it, or get bored with it.

Now is this 'immortality' where you dont die of old age/natural causes but can still get die by getting hit by a car, stabbed, shot etc, or where you cant die at all unless you get your head cut off, stabbed in the heart with a stake, or shot with a silver bullet? If its kind where can still die by 'chance' then yeah, that would suck balls. But if i could live forever and not die at all except by one specific way or someshit, then that would be fun, but i guess that also would only be fun if i had powers like a vampire, otherwise that too would suck because i would still have to live this lame life only for eternity.

The things i want to do before i die....win the WSOP, or atleast place in it; now this may sound twisted to you righteous/uptight ppl but if i knew i was going to die already anyways id want to break a petty law such as possessing weed and then resist the arrest and shoot down the police officers trying to comprehend me, that would be me going down in a blaze of glory.

No i do not fear death. I may fear the pain or the act of dying, but only in a physical sense, death itself i do not fear, for i know that 'GOD' will be waiting for me with a 40oz and a blunt.

My worst fear is dying before the people actually being freed, we are not atm no matter what you have been told or believe, and will tke nothing short of another revolution to fix it.

As for the Bon Jovi, I would definetely go down in a blaze of glory.

[Dharma Ga]

An old topic to everyone yet it never seize to be interesting when hearing ppl reply

i searched the forums before i post it and there is a related topic so please moderators and admins if the resembelance is high merge them or delete this thread =) and i will post over there

link>>>>>death


Back to topic...

Death Vs immortality.... what is death to you, and which is a curse, death or immortality.... if you had an eternity of time what would it be that you'd want to do? if you are aware of your death what are the things you want to do before you die, and finally do you fear death or not....

if not please submit your worst fear =)

one last thing inspired by the great bon jovi ... if you are to choose how you will die how would it be ? would it be shot down in a blaze of glory ... or rather have the normal settle life and go out without a bang

Death is the end to me, no more me, all I've built up to be in life, gone like it was never there, a tragedy of life. I think death is a curse, it would be alright if we knew there was an afterlife where we would be respawned, but to have to die, with no choice, that sucks, I think anyway. If I was immortal I would explore the world, the galaxy if technology had advanced to such lengths, which it should in time, the eternal explorer, what could be better, maybe even get the opportunity to work on a starship like in Star Trek, would be my ultimate dream.

I want to live my life to the fullest, have a family of my own, never retire, work until I drop, I don't want to be senile or be so ill, being alive is torture, then I'd rather get knocked off.

Nope, don't fear death, but my biggest fear is being locked inside somewhere and dying in there, to just have to sit around and wait for death, I want to die peacefully in my sleep at home, never an old age home.

[Kevinaswell]

I do not want to die.

I do not want to live life in any scenario that I can think of that COULD play out after I die. Be it floating around in a void. In Heaven (as far as I'm concerned, the worst kind of people make it in there anyways. I bet Bush has a ticket). Simply not existing. In some sort of limbo existence. Existing as a pure form of consciousness perhaps completely unattached from my acquired life memories, yet with still the retention of all the acquired essence.

Wtfever, I don't care. I don't want any of that as far as I'm concerned until I know what I get myself into. Would you jump into a pit you couldn't see the bottom too just because 1,000 strangers were telling you there was a mattress at the bottom?

Immortality is a wonderful answer, and possibly even the ultimate destiny of all life. There is no reason we should exist with annoyances and unhappiness, and DEATH is the largest annoyance and cause of unhappiness of all time.

Life is beautiful and good, let's stay alive for it.

[Kysinor]

I'm going against the grain here and tell that Immortality would be a curse. I don't see myself as a living being for an eternity, as it's all absurd in a way. I think non-existence would be quite cool after a while, like an eternal sleep. Would be cozy, and makes me appreciate the life I'm on earth now. The whole idea of immortality would in my opinion break down the concept of value of life. Honestly I think if anyone would achieve immortality it would drive such person insane after a while.

[Kevinaswell]

I'm going against the grain here and tell that Immortality would be a curse. I don't see myself as a living being for an eternity, as it's all absurd in a way. I think non-existence would be quite cool after a while, like an eternal sleep. Would be cozy, and makes me appreciate the life I'm on earth now. The whole idea of immortality would in my opinion break down the concept of value of life. Honestly I think if anyone would achieve immortality it would drive such person insane after a while.

Well.

I'll miss you.

And while I'm missing you, your ability to miss anything at all will be included in that.

I think it's also kind of fucked up you give value to life only by considering how life is meant to end.

How in the world is someone supposed to be focused on improving life and making it perfectly acceptable so they can be ultimately happy if they've got it so ingrained in their minds that no matter what, it's meant to end?

That is not against the grain. Against the grain is immortality, and it makes me very very happy to see that so many people are thinking this way/at least desiring it.

And it's possible. Check it.

NASA & Google Join Forces to Research Singularity -the "Intelligence Revolution" (VIDEO)

[Kysinor]

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Science is not immune to the stupidity of humanity, and science is unfortunately no magic pill solution to anything -- it's a tool and a potential dangerous one and many such consequences unforeseen. I'm sure if some terrorist creates a virus that infects super intelligent machines, it will probably wipe out the entire humanity or something. I tell you, I'm still signing up as a Maverick Hunter if this is going to happen!

[Kevinaswell]

Science is not immune to the stupidity of humanity, and science is unfortunately no magic pill solution to anything -- it's a tool and a potential dangerous one and many such consequences unforeseen. I'm sure if some terrorist creates a virus that infects super intelligent machines, it will probably wipe out the entire humanity or something. I tell you, I'm still signing up as a Maverick Hunter if this is going to happen!

We'll be comrades, hands down.

But as far as that's concerned, within the concept of "singularity" none of that really applies at all whatsoever >.<

Some terrorist in a cave on an IBM could NEVER program a virus that infects the "machines" (which I doubt the Singularity will be in the form of), BECAUSE they're super intelligent. We won't even need to program anything ever again.

And yea. I know it's not immune to our stupidity, which is why we need to use it to fix our stupidity. Which is kinda the whole point.

Provided we don't blow ourselves up first.

"Holy wars" should never exist, and do an excellent job of describing the true meaning of the word "holy", and people need to chill out on thinking other races need to be genocide'd. And wtfever craziness is happening. All those things will ever do is either 1. Kill us or 2. Distract us/prevent us from reaching intellectual and moral Singularity.

Which would probably mean we fail as a species, and won't get let into the intergalactic social web of peaceful beings :)

Why haven't we seen aliens?

Probably because we still wanna kill each other and shit like that >.<

They've long since outgrown that kind of shit. Probably a little bit before they figured out how to build their spaceships (time will do weird shit as SOON as we develop that first self-improving intellect) they used to come visit us.

Hell, if I was going on a mission to examine an unknown species and detected that they kept blowing each other up and calling each other ugly and praying to invisible people that promise the destruction of all life no matter what.....I'd wanna fucking hide behind an invisibility cloak too.

And maybe also draw some intricate math-related shit in some fields.

I doubt the humans would realize that the significance of those mathematical designs is to imply that the only message an advanced race capable of space/spatial travel to that degree feels is the most important to be interpreted by us is a blatant display of MATHEMATICS AND RATIONALITY*.

If. You believe in crop circles and shit :) Which I admit could all be a hoax for sure....but iunno...some of them for sure are a hoax...but I mean...



Some of those are no doubt hands down BEAUTIFUL perfectly geometric pieces of art.

I don't know how I ended up here, but I just like to roll with tangents sometimes and hope people benefit in some way.




*Not intended to imply emotion is unimportant, because I interpret the ability to feel and experience emotion as an incredibly important human attribute, and it's what gives us our "spice".