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    The Problem of Modern Public Education

    Schools Kill Creativity:



    The True Purpose of College and Higher Education: (even though this was written by a student, it present my beliefs better than I could myself)
    The True Purpose of College and Higher Education
    When academics created various educational systems long ago in ancient Greece and China, they did not design these centers of learning for the masses. Rather, they were made for the elite: the well-endowed, prosperous citizen. These places were conceived with the ideas of wisdom and enlightenment in mind. Unfortunately, (or fortunately, depending on one's opinion) this is no longer the case in many educational facilities. In the United States, university and college systems have become much more accessible to the populace. Though there is little doubt that this is a good turn of events, it has also brought about a change in the focus of many institutions. Universities seek to attract accomplished researchers from around the world, putting less and less emphasis on dynamic curriculum and "credential" teachers. Instead of making education a diverse and interactive environment where one challenges known assumptions, and probes mysterious realms of thought, it has become one where the same topics are taught repetitively every year, making students cynical and unconcerned about real learning. Rather, students care much more about getting an "A" and graduating with their degree on time. The romantic notion of learning for the sake of increasing one's understanding is no longer practiced. This is mainly due to the mass production methods now being applied to higher learning.
    There are a number of factors affecting the way university systems are operated. These include raising tuition costs and continually increasing expectations upon students. These two factors, along with the greatly increased number of people attending universities, have caused depreciation in the value of an education and, more importantly, degradation in the emphasis most institutions place on creative, dynamic learning processes. Raising tuition has had the adverse effect of forcing students to rush through their college years, without taking full advantage of all the diverse resources and experiences lying before them. Financial pressures make it nearly impossible for students to explore classes that would not fulfill their degree requirements. Beyond completing the basic general education requirements, students rarely take classes to simply broaden their horizons. Chemistry majors do not take art or music classes for fun. Philosophy majors don't try physics and mathematics courses for the sole purpose of gaining knowledge. This is a sad statement, but a reality that has come about due to rising costs of education.
    Higher expectations and a push for timely graduation have also made students less concerned about the value of the education they are receiving, and more worried if their transcript will look good. These higher expectations and a stress on practicality prevent learning for the sake of learning. If one attempts to be broad and take additional courses, one is often seen as strange and even looked on with scorn for not finishing their schooling "on time." With so many higher expectations, grades become predominant over self-improvement via personal questing and individual study. Why read if it is not required? Why learn if it is not for a class? Understanding becomes contingent upon an institution that does not encourage going beyond the required courses planned out ahead of time. Though some enthusiastic students do find the time and willingness to pursue diverse and budding interests, most simply lack any desire to expand their minds for personal enlightenment and growth. Most desire to pursue an active social life instead.
    The effect of needing to provide higher education for the masses has also diluted the emphasis on learning from being an interactive, diversifying experience to one of an assembly-line process where everyone endures the same classes and does the same monotonous tasks. There is little diversity of experience and no challenge to answer the deep questions fundamental to what people are learning. Universities can not focus on the individual simply because there are too many people to deal with. If people want to be able to answer the deeper questions about their education, they must do so on their own, outside the classroom. Most professors are content to simply teach the required curriculum, leaving out contextual questions that force the mind to question, since they would likely confuse many students.
    The difficulties of mass education impose certain restrictions upon the depth and dynamic nature of university-level curricula. Even though some humanities courses offer more in the way of independent probing and pondering of fundamental issues, they still can not compare to the fluid, evolving style of learning that occurred long ago when there was no set educational structure. In this modern-age, we prefer a more well defined, structured lifestyle, which includes our educational system. For organizational purposes, this is quite necessary in education, in order to fairly treat such a large number of students.
    The modern-day educational system, which is more practical and structured, and less centered on personal understanding, is a product of the needs of a mass educated society. Rising tuition costs and higher expectations with shorter graduation times contribute to the feeling that deeper understanding is secondary to the grades received. Students rush through their college years without taking the time to explore avenues of thought that could broaden their perspectives. Practicality, not idyllic learning, is stressed due to the views of society and the numbers of people entering university-level education. Of all causes for the lack of concern for a deeper, more probing learning environment, the goal of a uniformly educated society has to be the most determining factor. To educate people on a large-scale, the education community sacrifices some of what made education so powerful, by shifting the focus from true understanding to academic achievement.
    MY belief/conclusion: Public education has become less about fostering discovery and innovation and more about conformity and single-mindedness.
    My question: What do YOU think we should do to solve this problem?



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    Quote Originally Posted by asewland View Post
    Schools Kill Creativity:



    The True Purpose of College and Higher Education: (even though this was written by a student, it present my beliefs better than I could myself)
    The True Purpose of College and Higher Education


    MY belief/conclusion: Public education has become less about fostering discovery and innovation and more about conformity and single-mindedness.
    My question: What do YOU think we should do to solve this problem?
    I agree. I was totally thinking of starting a thread about education, but I'm glad that somebody beat me to it.

    To answer the question: I think that this could be easily solved scientifically.

    Step 1: Brainstorm about the different ways that children have been shown to learn, and which is the most effective.

    Step 2: Build a system based upon these principles and experiment with it.

    Step 3: If it works, great. Adapt it. If it doesn't, go to step 2.

    Obviously the classroom structure needs work, and that should be brainstormed too.

    And teachers require a complete upheaval. We don't want our children being taught by generalists. They should be enthused experts in their respective fields. A separate teacher for each subject.

    The children would be asked how they would best like to learn and participate.

    All in all, I think that children need to be involved more. After all, they're the ones being educated. They should get to choose between a variety of exciting learning methods, styles, and toys.

    Additionally, they should be taught about nutrition (Maybe in high school).

    So many things. May add more later.

    Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Word Dispenser View Post
    I agree. I was totally thinking of starting a thread about education, but I'm glad that somebody beat me to it.

    To answer the question: I think that this could be easily solved scientifically.

    Step 1: Brainstorm about the different ways that children have been shown to learn, and which is the most effective.

    Step 2: Build a system based upon these principles and experiment with it.

    Step 3: If it works, great. Adapt it. If it doesn't, go to step 2.

    Obviously the classroom structure needs work, and that should be brainstormed too.

    And teachers require a complete upheaval. We don't want our children being taught by generalists. They should be enthused experts in their respective fields. A separate teacher for each subject.

    The children would be asked how they would best like to learn and participate.

    All in all, I think that children need to be involved more. After all, they're the ones being educated. They should get to choose between a variety of exciting learning methods, styles, and toys.

    Additionally, they should be taught about nutrition (Maybe in high school).

    So many things. May add more later.

    Thanks!
    I like your plan, however, there is one thing you should add: emphasize of physical education and movement. Too many kids these days are unhealthy and sedentary. It would help them a lot to move around a lot...



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    A big part of the problem is you are assuming "modern education" has anything to do with getting an education.

    "You can't make socialists out of individualists. Children who know how to think for themselves spoil the harmony of the collective society which is coming, where everyone is interdependent"
    ~John Dewey, "The father of modern education"
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    This is really interesting! I was going into Education, but decided against it and instead am going into speech language pathology.

    No Child Left Behind created a lot of rules and 'red tape' that kill creativity. Teachers are expected to meet so many benchmarks and do so many things at once that they get burned out. Teaching has one of the highest turn over rates; almost half new teachers in the States leave the profession within five years. So many burned-out teachers are teaching to the test, which just causes the kids to get burned out too.

    I think all of the standardized testing stresses kids out too. Did you know that Finland -which has one of the most successful education systems of the world- has only one standardized test? (I think it's just one, anyway! And it's not a high-stakes test either; it's just to see where the child is developmentally).

    I wish we would come up with a new way of measuring knowledge other than standardized testing. A lot of kids are smart and great with hands-on-tasks, but can't necessarily demonstrate their knowledge on a test. But it seems like Education is being more and more controlled by the Federal government, so more and more rules are coming into place that hinder creativity.
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    In my country, schools are under pressure to achieve results that can have a number attached to them such as percentage of pupils achieving grade C and above in mathematics, for example. The percentages are published nationally so that schools can be compared and inspectors, who have a limited time to carry out their inspection, base most of their judgements on these kinds of statistics. This means that schools tend to focus on what can be measured easily and quantitatively and on what the government has decided is the most important area of the curriculum.

    Therefore, in order to encourage schools to focus on creativity, we could assign marks to pupils based on their ability to think creatively. Students could be tested and assessed on the number of possible solutions they could come up with to a problem, for example. Creativity could actually become a subject in it's own right and the number of pupils achieving grade C and above in 'creativity' could be published nationally and the data scrutinised by inspectors who would use it in their judgements about the school.

    Basically, schools will focus more attention on creativity if they know they will be judged on it and if they will be held up as an 'outstanding' school because their pupils are more creative than those in other schools.

    How can creativity be taught though? That is another question!



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    Quote Originally Posted by INFJigsaw View Post

    How can creativity be taught though? That is another question!
    Well, you can't teach creativity, necessarily. But, you can create an environment that creativity thrives in.

    For example: When the kids have an assignment they're given, there may be a set of guidelines for them to follow. But, the number one rule should be that these kids can bend the rules of an assignment, so that they can stretch beyond while following their own visions.

    This is why I loved going to College, especially Art School.

    Journalism had such strict guidelines, and I was always trying to do my own thing. They didn't like that.

    But, when I was in an art program, and I got an assignment, sometimes I went against what the teacher might have wanted. This was actually praised and encouraged. I even felt admired, and accomplished for doing this-- I felt as if I had done something nobody else had thought to do.

    I think the most significant moment, was that I felt as if I were on equal terms with the teacher, and that he really understood and appreciated my methods, despite going against what was on the original. And all of my peers respected and admired this teacher for being so lenient with us.

    He would set a deadline, but it wouldn't really matter if you handed it in late. To him, it was the journey, and the results that really mattered.

    I'm sure he received quite a lot of flack for being outside of the box of what he was expected to do as a teacher, which is why we admired him all the more.

    Hmmm. In retrospect, I think he might have been an xNTP.


    @asewland Yes; It was by no means a comprehensive, exhaustive list. I agree that kids should be moving more, and brought outside to learn, too. Nature hikes would be particularly beneficial. Sports. But, not just sports. Just general 'action'. Maybe improvisation, too, theatre. That stuff I didn't get into until high school, as I recall, but kids do that stuff naturally.
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    The key really is in getting the kids to be involved more. That way they aren't just following a set of procedures before them, but are actively learning how to do the assignments.



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    Public school is about conformity, but it always was. Creativity and individual development, while encouraged by some individual teachers has never been the goal of the system as a whole. I strongly recommend listening to John Taylor Gatto, a former teacher who has been talking about the problems of the education system for decades.

    Here's part 1 of 5 of a recent interview he did. It's quite long but well worth watching. (The actual interview begins at about 17 minutes)

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