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    Neanderthal DNA found in Human DNA: Human ancestors mated with exctinct species

    WASHINGTON — We have met Neanderthal and he is us – at least a little. The most detailed look yet at the Neanderthal genome helps answer one of the most debated questions in anthropology: Did Neanderthals and modern humans mate?


    The answer is yes, there is at least some cave man biology in most of us. Between 1 percent and 4 percent of genes in people from Europe and Asia trace back to Neanderthals.


    "They live on, a little bit," says Svante Paabo of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Leipzig, Germany.


    Researchers led by Paabo, Richard E. Green of the University of California, Santa Cruz, and David Reich of Harvard Medical School compared the genetic material collected from the bones of three Neanderthals with that from five modern humans.


    Their findings, reported in Friday's edition of the journal Science, show a relationship between Neanderthals and modern people outside Africa, Paabo said.


    That suggests that interbreeding occurred in the Middle East, where both modern humans and Neanderthals lived thousands of years ago, he said.


    "People are interested in the question: 'By what route did I get here?' And the idea that there is a faint echo of Neanderthals" is interesting, reflected Richard Potts, director of the Human Origins Program at the Smithsonian's National Museum of Natural History.


    "I'm really impressed by the nuance they've been able to pick up," said Potts, who was not part of the research group."The papers are a really good antidote to the all-or-nothing findings of previous studies."


    Humans trace their origins out of Africa into the Middle East and then on to other parts of the world. The genetic relationship with Neanderthals was found in people from Europe, China and Papua-New Guinea, but not people from Africa.


    Todd Disotell, an anthropologist at New York University, suggested that more Africans should be sampled.


    "My guess is, as we sample more Africans we're going to find some of these old lineages in Africa," said Disotell, who was not part of the research team. He noted that the researchers looked at the genomes of a west African and a south African, but not someone from northeast Africa, where he said the mixture would be more likely to have occurred.


    And Paabo agreed that his finding does not mean that only people from outside Africa have some cave man biology. With more study it might be found in some Africans also.


    Indeed, Laura Zahn, associate editor of life sciences at the journal Science, said she anticipates the report will provide material for geneticists and anthropologists to quarrel over for years.


    Reich noted that while there was a flow of genes from Neanderthals to modern humans, there is no indication of gene movement the other way, from humans to Neanderthals.


    The closest extinct relative to modern people, Neanderthals existed from about 400,000 years ago to about 30,000 years ago. They coexisted with modern humans for 30,000 to 50,000 years in Europe and western Asia.


    While many people think of Neanderthals as very primitive, they had tools for things like hunting and sewing, controlled fire, lived in shelters and buried their dead.


    Asked if the findings show differences between Africans and non-Africans, Paabo replied that people who want to present data in some sort of racist perspective would find a way to do so. He said, one way to look at this data could be to say people outside Africa are more primitive, while another way could be to say there is something beneficial about being part Neanderthal.


    "There is no basis to link this to some sort of advantage of one group over another," he said.
    Erik Trinkaus, an anthropologist at Washington University in St. Louis, who has long argued that Neanderthals contributed to the human genome, welcomed the study, commenting that now researchers "can get on to other things than who was having sex with who in the Pleistocene."
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    Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology: Max Planck Institute Leipzig | Homepage
    Center for Biomolecular Science and Engineering, U.C. Santa Cruz: Home | Center for Biomolecular Science and Engineering | UC Santa Cruz
    Department of Genetics, Harvard Medical School: Home | HMS Department of Genetics
    Smithsonian Human Origins Program: Smithsonian Human Origins Program - Smithsonian National Museum of Natural History
    Department of Anthropology, New York University: New York University > Department of Anthropology
    Department of Anthropology, Washington University, St. Louis: Department of Anthropology






    Neanderthal DNA Found In Human DNA: Human Ancestors Mated With Extinct Species, Researchers Say
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    i got a sense of this from watching mma.
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    I didn't read it, but as long as the article didn't cover this I feel obliged to include that Neanderthals are likely NOT the only species we reproduced with.

    These species existed for millions of years, and humans move around a lot.

    African Americans did this the least, which is why their DNA isn't as varied as other races.



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    I've always had an intereast in the neanderthals, I'm a white guy, I hope I'm part neanderthal, that would actually be really cool!



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    Maybe Neanderthals aren't really extinct? Maybe, just maybe, they never existed at all...



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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevinaswell View Post
    African Americans did this the least, which is why their DNA isn't as varied as other races.
    Africans have the greatest genetic diversity for a single population, with everyone else being closer to each other genetically than they are to Africans. As for African-Americans, don't most of them have some European and/or Native American ancestry?
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    I watched a show about this, I think they were dying off. As neanderthals and cromagnons got used to eachother they started having relationships. Looking at myself I would say that I am part neanderthal, I'm a european mutt.



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    I would not mine mating with a Neanderthal. It sounds cool.



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    Er...weren't Neanderthals proven to be humans??

    Neanderthal Man
    After the first specimens were discovered in the Neander Valley in 1856, evolutionists suggested that Neanderthals were primitive ape-men. Subsequent archaeological discoveries, however, revealed that there was no scientific basis to that claim. Erik Trinkhaus, an expert on the subject of the Neanderthals and also an evolutionist, has admitted that, “Detailed comparisons of Neanderthal skeletal remains with those of modern humans have shown that there is nothing in Neanderthal anatomy that conclusively indicates locomotor, manipulative, intellectual, or linguistic abilities inferior to those of modern humans.”
    In addition, the size of the Neanderthal Man skull—200 cubic centimeters greater than that of present-day humans—reveals the invalidity of the claim that it was an intermediate form between humans and apes.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevinaswell View Post
    I didn't read it, but as long as the article didn't cover this I feel obliged to include that Neanderthals are likely NOT the only species we reproduced with.

    These species existed for millions of years, and humans move around a lot.

    African Americans did this the least, which is why their DNA isn't as varied as other races.
    I have no idea what you are talking about! African Americans aren't the same as blacks in Africa. Many African Americans have white ancestors, some native also. It is very rare, when it comes to DNA testing to find a 100% black African American, many have near 20% white ancestry, some more and some less than this number. And skin complexion is not a good identifier, some having really dark skin, are found to have that percentage.




 
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