[USA Today] New York Senate passes tough gun law

@android654

Private gun sales could easily be bypassed anyway with this law -- all you gotta do is give it to somebody who can't buy it legally; then say "your gun was stolen". You can't be held accountable for having your gun stolen, especially when guns ARE stolen periodically.

The only other solution is to require all guns be fitted with RFID chips or tracking devices which really sits very badly with almost any civil libertarian.

Originally Posted by RobynC

@android654

Private gun sales could easily be bypassed anyway with this law -- all you gotta do is give it to somebody who can't buy it legally; then say "your gun was stolen". You can't be held accountable for having your gun stolen, especially when guns ARE stolen periodically.

The only other solution is to require all guns be fitted with RFID chips or tracking devices which really sits very badly with almost any civil libertarian.

Or prosecute private gun sales where the seller does not perform a background check.

@android654

And as I said -- they could sell it secretly, then tell the police they lost their gun.

Originally Posted by RobynC

@android654

And as I said -- they could sell it secretly, then tell the police they lost their gun.

Then law enforcement will have to prosecute gun owners like parents of delinquent children. If your gun magically disappears, you don't report it stolen or mention it in a police report and a crime is committed with that gun, then you suffer the legal consequences.

@android654

Okay listen to me: If they were determined to sell a gun illegally they would do the following

• They'd secretly give the gun to somebody else
• They'd "report the gun stolen"

Got it?

Originally Posted by RobynC

@android654

Okay listen to me: If they were determined to sell a gun illegally they would do the following

• They'd secretly give the gun to somebody else
• They'd "report the gun stolen"

Got it?

1st, you need to be more clear. You stated that they would sell the gun and claim it stolen in the event of a crime committed with that gun. In that event I would suggest a person be prosecuted for not reporting the firearm stolen at the moment it became apparent it was stolen.

2nd, in the event an exchange like the one you mentioned now takes place, I would revoke the persons ability to purchase firearms for a period of time as they have demonstrated an inability to keep the weapon in a safe environment. Repeat offenders should have the privilege revoked.

3rd, most of the guns in that 40% category are private to private sales. In fact there are guns from murders in the 80's that are in circulation around the country believed to be used in several other crimes. No one's reporting anything stolen now because it's not being prosecuted. In a situation such as this, where the unregistered gun is used in several crimes, I would go after all known owners as offenders under a "Rico" styled prosecution.

4th, don't claim others to be dense when your defense to support gang bangers, terrorists, and petty crooks using a loophole to get guns to account for the 11,000+ deaths we experience a year. It's a number rivaled only by war torn countries like Iraq, Chad and Syria. Unless you have a real solution to limiting that number with a comprehensive legal approach then you're too dense to understand what the article in the op was about.

The site says it was proposed... Not passed.

More nonsense from the idiot Cuomo. Let me remind you guys of what this guy did as Secretary of HUD under Clinton.

"In 2000, Cuomo required a quantum leap in the number of affordable, low-to-moderate-income loans that the two mortgage banks—known collectively as Government Sponsored Enterprises—would have to buy."

"Cuomo raised that number to 50 percent and dramatically hiked GSE mandates to buy mortgages in underserved neighborhoods and for the “very-low-income.”"

Cuomo helped inflate the housing bubble by forcing Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to buy up bad (subprime) mortgages from banks and shady originators.

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Why is this gun bill a bad idea? Which criminal is going to voluntarily give up their magazines? Not a one. This will just create a black-market for these magazines and it will mean that the criminals will have the high capacity magazines but the responsible citizens won't. If gun control laws work, we'd be seeing less gun violence in places with the strictest gun laws, places like Chicago. We're seeing the opposite happening.

that is why all states need to put through gun laws and use a buy back scheme to get rid of as many as possible, then any weapons found not meeting this criteria will be confiscated.

Originally Posted by Rohlo

It has been that way for a long time.

And yet, this law had to be passed to close the "gun-show loophole," which was being used to sell guns... without background checks.