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This is a discussion on Satanism according to the Satanic Bible within the Critical Thinking & Philosophy forums, part of the Topics of Interest category; Originally Posted by Roland787 If you want to address my points you can do so here. You can quit sending ...
I'm not supporting your case, you're just saying that to make feel like a fool and it isn't working. And if you don't support devil worshipers then why did you defend them after I condemned them? And I'm not sorry to disappoint you but I didn't get all my information from the bible, I got a lot of it from my parents.Originally Posted by Roland787
Why is it that when someone asks how God allows people to do all kinds of bad things, the answer is 'free will' but if somebody happens to do the same things but under the name of Satan, there's suddenly a shitstorm about it?
I don't understand.
God gave us free will to make good or bad choices, and worshiping satan is clearly bad.
'Clearly bad' again only according to those religions portraying him as such. Cant speak of these as if you KNOW them to be the one and only objective truth, and then when somebody happens to counter argue, attack them for throwing their beliefs in your face and insulting you. So if you cant handle a mature debate here, please quit posting these kinds of responses.
Don't start with me again.
Lol. Are you just trolling? You going to report yourself (again) by reporting me again?
(I understand this post was a bit unnecassary but this whole thing just amuses me and childish behavior needs to be called out)
Anyways, for this post to at least have some substance:
"God gave us free will to make good or bad choices, and worshiping satan is clearly bad."
With God's omniscience he knew what our free will would result in, and that we would make all the bad choices that we have been known to make. He also knew what we were going to do ahead of time, according to the fact that he has a 'divine plan' so our 'free will' really isnt 'free will' to begin with. And if we used this 'free will' to make any choice he doesnt approve of then we are condemned to hell to suffer for eternity instead of just given the oppurtunity to learn from our mistakes (which he knew ahead of time we were going to make). I would hardly classify this as him being 'good' and then declaring that satan is 'bad' automatically by comparison.
Again I must ask you, how is worshiping satan 'clearly' bad? Examples in the xian/jewish faith portraying him as evil? Those are hardly the only examples out there. There are other examples (such as the satanic bible) that portray him (although not as an existing entity. and even those who do believe him to be an existing entity, he is not portrayed as evil as you seem to be trying to make him out to be) as one who supports free thought and an actual form of 'free will'.
You're arguing for the sake of arguing, quit trolling and cut it out. And you're just gonna reject everything I tell you so there's no reason for me to give you any answers, so leave me the hell alone.
I am arguing for the sake of this debate. You make a statement and I am only making my counter points. By throwing my own words back in my face by saying that I am the one trolling while not offering any arguments of your own you are only validating my claim.
It's not so much that I will 'reject' everything you say, it is only that I will counter them where I see fit to, and in this case just ask for clarification on the points that you have made. And if you were to say something that I felt valid and constructive towards what I had to say, and actually made me think of what I said and had me realize that I made an error or had to adjust my opinion so because it made sense, then I would gladly do so as I have with previous posts from others who actually took the time to write out something constructive and reasonable to me.
And quit asking me to leave you alone when you are here in this thread making posts. You go in any other thread and I am not going to follow you to keep harassing you. If you cant handle this debate rationaly then.....go post elsewhere. Im sure that you may have something valid or productive to contribute towards other topics, but if this is how you are going to handle this debate then you do not belong here. If my posts piss you off so, then you are welcome to just ignore them. I am not attacking 'you' as I am just arguing your points.
Your posts just seem as if they're trolling, and since they are meant toward attacking/insulting me I have found a slight amusement in all of this so I may be taking an extra pleasure in pointing out your flaws in argument. sue me.
Believe what you want, but I don't appreciate you trying to shove your beliefs onto me. And no matter what you say I'm not gonna change my beliefs to accommodate you, so just give up and move on. And if you really want me to ignore you don't reply to me or send me any messages.I am arguing for the sake of this debate. You make a statement and I am only making my counter points. By throwing my own words back in my face by saying that I am the one trolling while not offering any arguments of your own you are only validating my claim.
It's not so much that I will 'reject' everything you say, it is only that I will counter them where I see fit to, and in this case just ask for clarification on the points that you have made. And if you were to say something that I felt valid and constructive towards what I had to say, and actually made me think of what I said and had me realize that I made an error or had to adjust my opinion so because it made sense, then I would gladly do so as I have with previous posts from others who actually took the time to write out something constructive and reasonable to me.
And quit asking me to leave you alone when you are here in this thread making posts. You go in any other thread and I am not going to follow you to keep harassing you. If you cant handle this debate rationaly then.....go post elsewhere. Im sure that you may have something valid or productive to contribute towards other topics, but if this is how you are going to handle this debate then you do not belong here. If my posts piss you off so, then you are welcome to just ignore them. I am not attacking 'you' as I am just arguing your points.
Your posts just seem as if they're trolling, and since they are meant toward attacking/insulting me I have found a slight amusement in all of this so I may be taking an extra pleasure in pointing out your flaws in argument. sue me.
There is a lot of misconception on what is good and what is bad. People are basing this on the idea of duality: good and bad. When people should also consider the possibility that there is only good, but at varying degrees. In other words, evil is the lack of good.
It's a sad fact that many Christian fundamentalists in their zeal say that if you don't believe in Christ and Christ's teachings you'll be damned.
But that isn't so. To clearly disobey God, one must have a clear understanding of God's teachings and works are and then deny them as the supreme goodness and justice of the land so to speak; if one's denial of God is the result of a misunderstanding or the true source of one's dislike of God and God's rule is the result of misinformation than one wouldn't necessarily be damned.
I suppose it is clearly bad to those who believe in a supremely good God who was betrayed by Satan and his angels.
If you don't, than there is an obvious problem.
Satan is most certainly portrayed as evil in nearly every Abrahamic text: the issue is that if you don't believe in it as the divine Word, than it doesn't appear to make Satan bad at all. If you believe in the Abrahamic text than surely the fact that Satan (as the Serpent) tempted Eve into eating the forbidden fruit and thus causing the fall of Man would be a solid reason not to trust Satan.
Perhaps the issue with Satanism is its materialist outlook on life. When you look at it, it does have ideas similar to existentialism, nihilism, and pragmaticism. Just not as cynical as nihilism.
And people against it are saying that it does sound nice: moderation is the key to success, don't bother into my business and I won't bother into yours.
But it might not work.
The general philosophy of Christianity is self-improvement and good will towards all man: which has many attributes in current Western government, law, and political philosophy. Surely, we can all agree that the Constitution of the United States and the Bill of Rights is a good thing.
However, Satanism does not encourage the aspects which Christianity has to offer. To put it another way, Satanism doesn't give us that nice, warm feeling of hope, faith, and love that Christianity appears to provide. It doesn't appear to encourage self-betterment either. It grounds people to appear more like animals than as human beings. If people were to follow Satanism, society could stagnate: that is, we wouldn't improve at all (culturally, socially, technologically, etc.). Simply because it gives some (if not all) people the feeling that there isn't a point to do anything: we all will die. So why do anything? Why learn? Why have kids? Why bother going to work? What's the point of life?
In other words, Satanism leaves some people with the idea that: Whatever success or big impact I could have made on this Earth is pointless, so I might as well fulfill my more sensual, carnal desires to fill that gap.
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