Mysteries of Faith

God is omnipotent, he controls everything that happens. However I have free will and will be judged for my actions.

God is benevolent, he has made the perfect world. However I am capable of imperfect actions, for which I will be judged.

These two statements are pretty similar, and both seem impossible.

Such is faith.

And now, the most powerful mystery:

God is truth. However his existence is contrary to all truth seeking faculties he has given me.

I'm not a christian. But you must define perfect. What is perfect? If you mean a world where humans never make mistakes? Are mistakes really imperfect? Or do they bring out something more?

Take the whole clay in the fire sort of deal. What makes the pot perfect? The fire...it has to be put through the fire first before it becomes perfect. K that was a bad analogy.

Everything is relative the way I see it. In order for you to feel pure joy ...you must feel pure pain. In order for you to know what the color green is....you have to look at what the color green is not. What if everything was green? Would you know what green is then if you had never seen any other color before?

My point is....I think free will and mistakes ....I think they bring out a more perfect place....a place where things are accentuated by each other.

Now ....I don't know if I believe in God or any religion of the sort....but I do think they hold some truth when it comes to subjective reality.

If you allow for ....failure....how much better will success be?

Humans are imperfect because they must be forgiven.

It's just not possible that they'd need to be forgiven if they hadn't transgressed somehow.

(I'm not Christian)

The definition of perfect: In accordance with God's will

Originally Posted by murkrow

Humans are imperfect because they must be forgiven.

It's just not possible that they'd need to be forgiven if they hadn't transgressed somehow.

(I'm not Christian)

The definition of perfect: In accordance with God's will

Why are humans imperfect because they must be forgiven? Again...what is perfect? In accordance with God's will....what if it Gods will that humans must be forgiven sometimes?

I think you're missing the point of "mystery".

It is not reasonable.

If human beings haven't done anything in contradiction with God's will then they have acted perfectly. If they have acted perfectly how could they require forgiveness? What have they done wrong?

Originally Posted by murkrow

If human beings haven't done anything in contradiction with God's will then they have acted perfectly. If they have acted perfectly how could they require forgiveness? What have they done wrong?

I think were attacking it from two different paradigms here. I see what your saying though. That doesn't make much sense. I just question where you got the idea that "If human beings haven't done anything in contradiction with God's will then they have acted perfectly." Why? Why is that perfect?

Originally Posted by murkrow

If human beings haven't done anything in contradiction with God's will then they have acted perfectly. If they have acted perfectly how could they require forgiveness? What have they done wrong?

I have missed the point of this argument entirely.

Originally Posted by Rourk

Are you seriously to believe that there is any man on this planet now who is perfect and then to use this as an argument against faith? Would this be a "do as I say, not as I do" catharsis. Merely speculation on my part.

You have missed the point of his argument entirely.

I love how this guy says "evidence".