The mystery of human's Imaginations!

I posted & asked this question in Yahoo! Answers sometime ago: "Could human imaginations be bigger than God or Universe?" (just go google it, I posted in several different categories like Philosophy, Religion, Parapsychology, Alternative, etc..and got all different interesting answers in each!).

And now I feel like this forum probably would be another good place to ask,
so here I copy paste my question:

"Could human imaginations be bigger than God or Universe?
Could it be?

Sometimes I'm in really in awe with the seemingly 'unlimited' human imaginations (& dreams as well), as apparent in movies, fantasy novels, video games (especially from Japan), and many others.
that sometimes I kept thinking (I'm a Christian-turned-agnostic btw) that if human imaginations already can put us in so much awe & wonder, then WHATEVER thing *creating* us is supposed to be BIGGER than our so-called 'petty' imaginations, isn't it?

So hence my question: could human imaginations actually be bigger than God or Universe?
or furthermore, could human imaginations actually be another "unexplored" parallel universe, or a mystery sort of?? (also related with the "dream" realms!)
Just curious."

And plus, also,
do you agree, or can you imagine, that perhaps in some far future ahead (or perhaps even in our near future??), we humans would be soo advanced in technology-wise, that we'll able to create and turn our imaginations into a Reality??..sort of like the Matrix?

There's even a very interesting theory that I've heard/read about how we are all really inside 'The Matrix', as imagined and created by super-advanced Beings, or computers!! so stuff like rain, water, etc, they're all the matrix imagined by those advanced higher Beings somewhere 'out' there!

What do you think?

Originally Posted by niki

And plus, also,
do you agree, or can you imagine, that perhaps in some far future ahead (or perhaps even in our near future??), we humans would be soo advanced in technology-wise, that we'll able to create and turn our imaginations into a Reality??..sort of like the Matrix?

Yes, definitely. But I think virtual worlds are devil's offers that should be avoided.

What do you mean by "bigger"?

Originally Posted by niki

"Could human imaginations be bigger than God or Universe?
Could it be?

Not really because human imagination is encapsulated within the multiverse.

Also, in the realm after this physical existence, where we exist as energy, imagination plays a key roll in materializing that reality. I've heard that the universe after this universe has all sorts of different worlds and is more than double the expanse of this universe. That world makes this one look tiny. It also operates under some of the principles that exist while we're dreaming... we can just materialize things by thinking.

What I do agree with is that human imagination far exceeds the traditional religious doctrines of mankind. Most religions present limited, but correct interpretations about our lives & souls. There's just more to the story in my point of view, a lot more.

And plus, also,
do you agree, or can you imagine, that perhaps in some far future ahead (or perhaps even in our near future??), we humans would be soo advanced in technology-wise, that we'll able to create and turn our imaginations into a Reality??..sort of like the Matrix?

We already live in such a place without having that level of technology.

The soul each human possesses does have power to affect the reality around it. Yet it's rarely realized or discussed. Generally people discover this power after they're dead, since they've lost the power of a physical body, they learn to use their spiritual one. Yet while living we can affect this reality much the same way spirits can, if we learn to tap into that power.

There's even a very interesting theory that I've heard/read about how we are all really inside 'The Matrix', as imagined and created by super-advanced Beings, or computers!! so stuff like rain, water, etc, they're all the matrix imagined by those advanced higher Beings somewhere 'out' there!

We were created by God, (super advanced being, the most advanced one) and plugged into this reality. The concept of the Matrix parallels pretty closely within traditional religious beliefs, except that the controller is not robotic (a human invention) but a being of spiritual energy. I totally agree with being plugged-in though. We each have an immortal soul, plugged-in to a physical form.

Now, we're not being used as batteries as the Matrix would suggest. We're being plugged-in to learn things. Like when Neo was plugged-in to learn jujitsu and practice with Morpheus. We're being plugged-in for the same reasons. Having our past memories suppressed when we enter this realm allows each person to learn things from totally different perspectives without having prior biased viewpoints holding them back.

Were you a bigot in a past life? Well, in this life you might find yourself in a person being subjected to bigotry. From these different perspectives our souls learn to better what they are.

Originally Posted by niki

do you agree, or can you imagine, that perhaps in some far future ahead (or perhaps even in our near future??), we humans would be soo advanced in technology-wise, that we'll able to create and turn our imaginations into a Reality??..sort of like the Matrix?

There's even a very interesting theory that I've heard/read about how we are all really inside 'The Matrix', as imagined and created by super-advanced Beings, or computers!! so stuff like rain, water, etc, they're all the matrix imagined by those advanced higher Beings somewhere 'out' there!

Forbidden Planet -last 20 or so minutes if you can't watch the entire movie.

Originally Posted by Bote

Forbidden Planet -last 20 or so minutes if you can't watch the entire movie.

What is it? is it a movie? is it available on Youtube?
can you tell me a bit the bottom-line of what is it about?
thx

Originally Posted by niki

What is it? is it a movie? is it available on Youtube?
can you tell me a bit the bottom-line of what is it about?
thx

Hehe knew you won't watch it :P. I type this out of memory so I might jumble up some stuff, but will strive to at least get the point across.

Humans discover an abandoned planet and on it remnants of an ancient, advanced alien civilization. Their technology is intact and one scientist wants to learn how to use it. The crew starts to disappear as some sort of creature has appeared. It is invincible, they can't kill it, they can not stop it, the only thing that saves some of them is the fact that the creature appears randomly and vanishes in thin air some time after.

The Captain of the ship insists that the scientist lead him to an underground alien facility where their most advanced tech is hidden. When they get there, the scientist introduces the captain to a 'IQ enhancing device for young aliens'. Soon it is revealed that the facility is actually the most powerful tool ever made, as it contains such incredible energy and superior power levels that it enables the user to be like God: create ANYTHING he imagines with his thoughts. All of a sudden the scientist faints due to a terrible headache, and the creature appears again this time destroying the facility slowly. While the scientist's daughter attempts to revive him, the creature starts losing its power and once he has awakened it is gone. The captain realizes what is afoot: that creature was actually a product of the scientist's imagination. He can not believe it ofc, but he starts to realize the truth behind those words.

"But but how can that be? All my life I strive to follow reason and the scientific method, contribute something to humanity...."
"We now have an answer as to how the aliens disappeared. Their dreams were their end."
"Such an advanced species, capable of controlling the stars but not their own minds. Of course, they must have evolved from a predatory, brute life form just like the humans did."
"And just like humans, they never learned the dangers of the subconscious. The monsters from the ID never sleep."

from The Golden Age by John C. Wright:

Helion had leaned and said, "Son, once you go in there, the full powers and total command structures of the Rhadamanth Sophotech will be at your command. You will be invested with godlike powers; but you will still have the passions and distempers of a merely human spirit. There are two temptations which will threaten you. First, you will be tempted to remove your human weaknesses by abrupt mental surgery. The Invariants do this, and to a lesser degree, so do the White Manorials, abandoning humanity to escape from pain. Second, you will be tempted to indulge your human weakness. The Cacophiles do this, and to a lesser degree, so do the Black Manorials. Our society will gladly feed every sin and vice and impulse you might have; and then stand by helplessly and watch as you destroy yourself; because the first law of the Golden Oecumene is that no peaceful activity is forbidden. Free men may freely harm themselves, provided only that it is only themselves that they harm."
Phaethon knew what his sire was intimating, but he did not let himself feel irritated. Not today. Today was the day of his majority, his emancipation; today, he could forgive even Helion's incessant, nagging fears.
Phaethon also knew that most Rhadamanthines were not permitted to face the Noetic tests until they were octogenerians; most did not pass on their first attempt, or even their second. Many folk were not trusted with the full powers of an adult until they reached their Centennial. Helion, despite criticism from the other Silver-Gray branches, was permitting Phaethon to face the tests five years early...
Then Phaethon said, "It's a paradox, Father. I cannot be, at the same time and in the same sense, a child and an adult. And, if I am an adult, I cannot be, at the same time, free to make my own successes, but not free to make my own mistakes."
Helion looked sardonic. "'Mistake' is such a simple word. An adult who suffers a moment of foolishness or anger, one rash moment, has time enough to delete or destroy his own free will, memory, or judgment. No one is allowed to force a cure on him. No one can restore his sanity against his will. And so we all stand quietly by, with folded hands and cold eyes, and meekly watch good men annihilate themselves. It is somewhat... quaint... to call such a horrifying disaster a 'mistake.'"

Kind of relates to what @Bote was saying.

Not really, think of our minds as a huge box, God exists outside of that box in his own realm. Now the imagination can reach the furthest areas of that box, and our comprehension of this is of it being amazing and big and to our capacity of creativity. Once we reach that we need something to compare it to that feels almost as big, that being God. However Because our creativity has peaked in our imagination, then anything we can imagine of God is what we have inside that box, therefore there is no bigger comparison and thus we would easily believe our imaginations to be exceeding God.

However if you understand that God is outside that box, one would never attempt to make that comparison.

As for the matrix theory, I dunno, we are here to be tested on our faith and move on afterwards however whether or not this constitutes as a matrix I wouldn't know

Forbidden Planet was a great sci-fi flick, with some very cool special effects for its day, and starred the beautiful Anne Francis. Leslie Neilson played the commander, and the movie introduced Robbie the Robot. The name of the alien race was the Krell. A must see movie!

I don't think there's a "bigness" comparison, but I think there may be a versatility comparison.

One of the most beautifully simple things about the imagination is abstraction. We often take this for granted, even.

We have all these little encapsulating concepts, and rarely even consider the scope of them all. Just one example is 'food'. There are millions and possibly even billions or more varieties of food, but they are all encapsulated by that one word - we don't have to know them all, we don't have to know how many, but we do somehow know if it is 'food', we can eat it. We have thousands of these encapsulated concepts.

Some more good examples are 'animal', 'object', and especially the concept of 'concepts' itself - 'concept' is like the grand daddy metaconcept which encapsulates all other concepts, too.