MBTI Vs. Astrology Vs. Religion - The Fact, The Fiction, The Faith

Originally Posted by MrShatter

Surprisingly enough, (or not so much) these things are actually a lot alike. They’re all theories that have convincing evidence. And if we run across someone that disagrees with us, it’s sad to say, the best we can do is point out some evidence (perhaps inform them that there are a lot of people who subscribe to the idea) and hope that they don’t go through denial. Well this thread here was written in an effort to convince you to keep an open mind about Astrology. (Not to convince you it’s real!

Pardon me, I'm stupid and somehow managed to miss the scientific evidence for astrology, or that there is a god. Can you please provide your evidence. It will certainly help your case.

I prefer to seek reason and logic, rather than deducing magical dates, stars, or beings. For something you don't understand, it does not follow to posit magic, nor do coincidental subjective experiences force a deductive support of magic.

Originally Posted by IncredibleMouse

Pardon me, I'm stupid and somehow managed to miss the scientific evidence for astrology, or that there is a god. Can you please provide your evidence. It will certainly help your case.

I prefer to seek reason and logic, rather than deducing magical dates, stars, or beings. For something you don't understand, it does not follow to posit magic, nor do coincidental subjective experiences force a deductive support of magic.

I never said the evidence was scientific.

Evidence: The available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.

Unfortunately, evidence can be interpreted in multiple ways. The Bible for religion. Human behavior for MBTI. Human behavior for Astrology.

Although everyone seems to be picking on me because of that. It's a technicality, and I would prefer if you read the argument as a whole instead.

Astrology isn't based on some magical coincidence.

For bolded: All experiences are subjective, all coincidences can be interpreted as patterns. Jung spent time observing people and noticed coincidences.

If you don't understand something fully, don't claim it to be chaos or magic.

Not to mention the point of the OP is not to convince you to believe in Astrology. (Or of its validity)

Originally Posted by Jennywocky

Neither.

It was a suggestion of what you should do, if you want people to read a crazy-long OP like that.

I didn't think it was long. Or well, hard to read.

Originally Posted by MrShatter

I didn't think it was long. Or well, hard to read.

It wasn't. You did fine.

Originally Posted by marked174

It wasn't. You did fine.

Yay! some love <3

Originally Posted by MrShatter

Astrology isn't based on some magical coincidence.

I agree with the rest of the post. This however I can't agree with. I got a cooky friend who does astrology extensively. At one point he explained to me that astrology relies on the planetary influence on a person and showed me all sorts of weird maps about my life :O. I most definitely agree that other planets in the solar system affect life on Earth in subtle ways, just like the moon and the sun. But to say those influences translate into one's love life is kinda ridiculous (unless there be some crazy algorhitm which follows the extension of radiation and other particles to our brains :O).

Originally Posted by Bote

I agree with the rest of the post. This however I can't agree with. I got a cooky friend who does astrology extensively. At one point he explained to me that astrology relies on the planetary influence on a person and showed me all sorts of weird maps about my life :O. I most definitely agree that other planets in the solar system affect life on Earth in subtle ways, just like the moon and the sun. But to say those influences translate into one's love life is kinda ridiculous (unless there be some crazy algorhitm which follows the extension of radiation and other particles to our brains :O).

I'm not sure I agree with your friend either. The way I understand Astrology it deals on a personality basis. I suppose this could lead to life tendencies, but I'm not sure, I would have to look into it. I dislike it when people use methods like this to define their lives.

Originally Posted by MrShatter

I'm not sure I agree with your friend either. The way I understand Astrology it deals on a personality basis. I suppose this could lead to life tendencies, but I'm not sure, I would have to look into it. I dislike it when people use methods like this to define their lives.

I guess that's Jungian astrology that you've encountered. Jung saw certain similarities between major historical events and constellations. He also thought that classical Greek elements as used in Astrology correspondend well to personality types. His writings on astrology seem more useful and in the least contain creative text. It's still kinda weird even if it is Jung.

Originally Posted by Bote

I guess that's Jungian astrology that you've encountered. Jung saw certain similarities between major historical events and constellations. He also thought that classical Greek elements as used in Astrology correspondend well to personality types. His writings on astrology seem more useful and in the least contain creative text. It's still kinda weird even if it is Jung.

Lol that's cool! I wish I had put that into the OP

The OP isn't saying you should completely and blindly accept astrology like it seems some of you are taking it. Rather I think he is trying to state that it is good to respect it or at least not completely reject astrology and how we can possibly learn about others through observing them from the basis of astrology and making comparisons just like one would do when testing MBTI theory.

There are great many threads questioning the legitimacy of astrology already but in my personal opinion the reason I think that both systems of typing human behavior and personality are reasonable because in nature (which of course encompasses humanity) many animal society's have individuals ordered in systematic fashion and they seem to accept their roles in their society. Also for example how organelles each have their role in maintaining the cell. Each of the 16 types and 12 signs have assigned attributes and these attributes make one prone to performing certain task and position styles so it makes sense to me to how people would develop similar structured personalities to fill these roles for humanity.