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    Hi, my name is Mantis, and I am an addict.

    My addiction is astrology. (wow. Just saying that is a load-off).

    Ok, so long story short, I got really interested in astrology after my 15th birthday, after I went through an incident during which I was lead to believe I might have cancer.
    So here is what my logical mind tells me..that extreme fear of death prompted me to seek answers to the meaning of life a.s.a.p, by any means, and I was also going through a lot of injustice(getting bullied and teased) etc, so I started getting into astrology. Took me about 2 years before I finally got the hang of it.
    My rational mind says I was seeing things, I became obssessive-compulsive, and was looking and seeing patterns everywhere, even though they were not there.

    bBut, after getting into this stuff for almost 7 years, now, I have seen too much to just dismiss it as pure jibberish. My intuition tells me there is something to it, but it is far from being a precise system, a tool, a science..I am aware of that.

    BUT, at the same time, the fact that it works even partially is so intriguing to me(especially being a generally logical person).

    My only fear is that this new way of seeing life does not affect my perception to the point of screwing up simply principles of every-day reality..

    Just..ugh, dunno. Help. How much do you believe in free will?
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    I have a friend who is extremely interested in Astrology... but from the stories of astrology, there are certain things we came to know. Astrology, is a certain form of science, which is unknown to man and is an expression of the words, "As above, so below" -- ie, while there is a universe outside of us, there is also in us -- which means there is planets, moons, etc all within our mind and being. Of course not in the way that people think, not actual planets, but something which relates to them and signifies in us certain psychological and physiological functions. But not only that, but how planetary forces/radiations/vibrations (whatever you want to call it) acts upon us, but in a way that is not so abstract, but follows that same code -- "As above, so below".

    I don't think anything is wrong with Astrology, I believe people tend to judge these things wayyy too fast, not understanding their genuine meaning and purposes. Astrology is about "Laws" upon the mind.

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    Astrology is a pseudoscience. It's too vague to be accurate/inaccurate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cam3llia View Post
    Astrology is a pseudoscience. It's too vague to be accurate/inaccurate.
    Explain the vagueness, @cam3llia? If you do not mind.

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    As in it's not very specific, hence it can pretty much apply to anyone. And of course the power of suggestion also plays a role.

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    I thought this too at one time. My friend was crazy about astrology and was showing me "astrology charts" -- I logically broke it down and said it says just enough so it can be applied to anyone -- due to this it's very subjective and people will believe whatever they want to or whatever they like -- ie you have talents in writing, but you can be <insert negative description> ... they'll say I agree with the writing, but not the other description. But after a while a few things stood out. 1) The most important things in charts are "Houses and planets". Nothing else is that important. This is what I have found to not be all over the place and in fact very accurate and aren't the same with everyone.

    But to each their own. I'm not a big astrology guy, but I can recognize there are aspects of it that are accurate -- if one looks at the houses and planets. Sun signs are not that important as the tropical system doesn't give an accurate picture of it -- the Sidereal one is more accurate.

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    The truth is what you make it, you know that, especially with things that seem to be gray area.

    Anyway, there are what, 12 types in the astrology system?

    I'm sure they are very evenly distributed and help even if we don't follow the spiritual side of it.

    When it comes to the spiritual side of it though, why not use it unless u find something better to combine with it?

    Oh hey just a random thought; have you ever lucid dreamed?

    Quote Originally Posted by cam3llia View Post
    Astrology is a pseudoscience. It's too vague to be accurate/inaccurate.
    Not sure she's asking from only a scientific point of view :D But yea, I agree as far as predictions go, but like I said earlier, that seems more on the spiritual side than scientific side to me anyway, which can be useful or not depending on the person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Souled In View Post
    The truth is what you make it, you know that, especially with things that seem to be gray area.

    Anyway, there are what, 12 types in the astrology system?

    I'm sure they are very evenly distributed and help even if we don't follow the spiritual side of it.

    When it comes to the spiritual side of it though, why not use it unless u find something better to combine with it?

    Oh hey just a random thought; have you ever lucid dreamed?



    Not sure she's asking from only a scientific point of view :D But yea, I agree as far as predictions go, but like I said earlier, that seems more on the spiritual side than scientific side to me anyway, which can be useful or not depending on the person.
    I don't personally believe truth is subjective, I tend to feel understanding is subjective. Like an apple, it "exists" but we project our "experiences" upon it, which we associate apple with. I think astrology was an "ancient" science... and I believe the form we have it in now is in a incomplete form. I think people dismiss things way too often, when maybe it is more their understanding of it which is lacking and they are projecting upon it, things which it never was.

    I don't think the sun signs are that important. But yes it seems like the zodiac symbols represented 12 types, or mental perspectives/centers of the mind. But this is not the first place where "12" is chosen, in early Christianity (esoteric) the 12 Apostles/12 Tribes represented 12 "types"/mental centers.

    Although in astrology, if you look into a chart, houses and planets appear to be the central dominate factors in the functioning of an individual. Also Greek mythos seem to play a big role in it as well, i.e. what certain "gods" mean with respect to their "names".

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    it's true that there are various systems(something that pisses me off, too), but there is one thing in astrology that stays the same, and that is inter-planetary aspects..both in the natal chart, and in transits(which is how the current positions of the planets interact with your natal chart)
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    Quote Originally Posted by LookingGlass View Post
    I don't personally believe truth is subjective, I tend to feel understanding is subjective. Like an apple, it "exists" but we project our "experiences" upon it, which we associate apple with. I think astrology was an "ancient" science... and I believe the form we have it in now is in a incomplete form. I think people dismiss things way too often, when maybe it is more their understanding of it which is lacking and they are projecting upon it, things which it never was.

    I don't think the sun signs are that important. But yes it seems like the zodiac symbols represented 12 types, or mental perspectives/centers of the mind. But this is not the first place where "12" is chosen, in early Christianity (esoteric) the 12 Apostles/12 Tribes represented 12 "types"/mental centers.

    Although in astrology, if you look into a chart, houses and planets appear to be the central dominate factors in the functioning of an individual. Also Greek mythos seem to play a big role in it as well, i.e. what certain "gods" mean with respect to their "names".
    What I'm saying is 12 types is still useful for looking at differences in personality. For example, they are much more useful than what people tend to use if they dont have a system, such as color of skin.

    What you think and feel about truth, probably has to do with how you define truth.


 
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