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Why would I care if anyone believes the same things as I do? People who are genuinely inspired by their beliefs have no urge to play the Pope and likewise don't care about other people's beliefs.
If you truly believe what you have written: welcome to the real world :)Originally Posted by Bote
@Tucken Seeing Religion as a toolbox for guidence and good morals, I can certainly see a use of it. After all there are some things in the bible that are good advice. And if one for some reason can't figure out a moral code for oneself, then reading such a book about it would be the answer. But as you said, most people have turned into some sort of 'follower-cult'. And if they blindley follow everything that is written in a book for a 2000 year old society, well...it's no wonder there are extremists. It might have started out as one thing and ended up being another. And about the perspective thing; I'll agree on that, everything is in the eye of the beholder after all.
@Holunder Well, I think the origin was probably to answer questions about this place that noone could figure out at the time. Why we are here and so on. Then the ideas might have gotten more and more refined over time. People adding a story there, an idea here and pretty soon, you got a creation theory going on. Then as the word spread about the ideas and stories, more and more people would start to belieave in them. So as with most stories there is a moral behind it, and those were the morals that began to form the religion. Then after a while, the original guy who came up with everything dies, but his best friend is still alive, and he figures out pretty quickly that the morals behind all of the stories are affecting people in their daily life. The friend has always been somewhat powerhungry - like most people - and started to add rules and whatnot into the stories, in the name of god, of course. As that would be a viable option without making him responsible for it. Then add a snowball effect on that and...yeah.
So atleast, in my head it happens like that, but I'm probably miles off. Second question. Soul? Well, I think it's us, inside our bodies. Everyone talks about how your body takes care of you. So quite possibly without it, we'd just be a body with instincts, like animals.
Wondered what I am? Not really. All the philosophies about if we exist or not surley works in theory but, does it matter?
@teddy564339 Yeah, I was somewhat speeded when I wrote the topic and might not have formed the idea awfully much just yet. The basic idea was just to understand how you people reason with religion, why you belieave it's the 'truth', so to speak. And that would also reflect in what you said to me if you were to try to convert me into said religion.
And yes, of course I know that not everyone is brought up that way. It would be silly.
@EmotionallyTonedGeometry How is a banana relevant to the topic?
It's possible that this is true, but not necessarily. I think when people make strong efforts to convert others, they often believe or assume that everyone views religion in the same basic way. So, they present their "argument" in the way that makes sense to them. If the other person doesn't view the topic in the same way, they both end up leaving the situation confused, thinking the other person is crazy or wrong.
My take on it is that trying to convert someone in this way isn't the right approach, because unless the other person views the idea in a similar manner, it's going to go nowhere. I usually instead first try to learn about someone else and how they perceive life before I even consider bringing up the topic of religion.
This is why I personally haven't answered your question yet. If you want to know why I believe the way I do, then I have no problem telling you. However, if you want me to try to convince you to believe how I do, I'm not going to, because my own personal reasons are what work for me. It would be up to you to decide if they work for you as well. But I'm not going to defend my reasons from an outside perspective, and that's why I would not try to "convert" you unless your reasons were similar to mine.
It is a misconception that people can believe in God without God. People do not believe because they are convinced that it is correct, God changes their hearts and spirits and allows them to see the truth. That is why Christianity seems like foolishness to most people.
On another note, I would not believe anything that is not logical. I have repeatedly asked people to challenge me, I feel if I can ever be swayed then I want to know. Regarding that, I feel most atheists do not search as hard into Christian beliefs to know for sure the logic of the argument.
I think that most atheists simply find the first argument that they like and never go any further, which to me is disgusting.If you want to know something, then really know something! It frustrates me that most people only learn enough to justify their position- to me that is shallow knowledge and is worse then being ignorant of the subject all together. I have utter disregard for such people and cannot give any weight to anything they say regarding the debate.
If you really want to know the truth then check your assumptions at the door and LEARN. Then evaluate the logic. Don't decide ahead of time what is truth and use that lens to evaluate the validity of the information presented. Learning like that is unscientific and is deserving of nothing more than dismissal.
Having said that, I have found nothing illogical or inconstant in my faith. I don't believe in Christ the way some people have 'faith' that the Tigers will win the super bowl, I have a faith that is supported by facts- and not facts that come from people with vested interests. I use my intellect to know the truth. I know that using what God has given me honors Him- and for that reason I dislike all 'Christians' who cannot give an answer to why they believe, who have a shallow faith that is supported by nothing but wishes. People who use emotions as a substitute for faith. That is not Biblical and is demeaning to God.
If indeed that is the case, then what you think you know is unlikely to be the truth.
Using intellect to know God is like using an ox-cart to go to the moon.
It says a lot about you, though, that even by using a tool so unsuited to the job, you believe, anyway.
Scientific types probably have the hardest road of anyone, to higher truths.
I know you will probably dislike being told you may not know something, but I will say this anyway:
Belief is nothing to do with knowing (whatever) God (is).
It is no more than a good start.
Save your intellect for things it was designed for.
Use your (lost in translation) for the subject at hand.
Are you kidding me???!?!?!? It's the most airtight argument for the existence of The Christian God!!!!
I don't think you understand how belief or science works.
Science: Observe data, propose hypothesis, attempt to disprove and then you're left with a theory.
Belief: Believe that something is true, fit data to support assumption and *presto* the belief is confirmed.
I like what you said about believing in God without God, for that is the very definition of belief. You first have to believe that there is a God in order for you to believe in God.
I'm confused I thought this was the banana in question:
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