The feminism I don't buy

I really admit I hate feminists.
I'm very tough, and really, I'm always pro-women, but I hate this wave of feminism everywhere!!
Sex is fun! We like it tough and people can't assume it. I think there's this whole wave of feminism that treats women as victims, and holds up as "desirable" values on women values who are not really desirable. People call their own fears feelings, and then, they say they're the feely, sensitive ones, and call you unsensitive just because you're not fearful. I see a lot of that in the orthodox feminist system.So, I'm a pro-sex feminist, I love porn, I favour sexting (i do it and it's fun), and I want women who take full pride of their bodies, and can make us hot with it. Sure I will if I can.

What I mean, is, they say, women are more feely, responsible, and all that. Those are not really values I consider intrinsecal of a woman, and not really desirable. I want tough people with blood flowing in their veins, free people, not good mothers and good wives.

Originally Posted by scarygirl

I want tough people with blood flowing in their veins, free people, not good mothers and good wives.

I mostly agree with what you have said, but I want mostly for all women to have made their own choices in life. So if she wants to be a good mother/wife she should be allowed to choose that without being judged as not strong enough as a woman. Having said that, I also don't see being a wife and mother as being opposed to being pro-sex, loving porn, taking delight in our own bodies etc. I am/do all those things and I don't see any problem with any of it. I enjoy it all; it's all stuff I chose for myself and I feel fully in control of my own life. And that's what I think feminism should be about -- being free and happy and strong in the choices we made for ourselves.

No, no, of course not. Really I'm meaning a concrete position.
I always hated all that "feminist" shit that women are more sensitive, and really, they tend to have sex only when they'r ein love, and this is why they're better. I mean, the opposition of "familiar" values opposed to "masculine" tough ones. Of course, freedom is what this is about, sorry, sometimes I seem too tough.
I read a book this summer, that said that "most girls can feel afraid in their first sexual relationships of the idea of an erection". Yeah, they tell us girls to not be afraid of sex, that we just want it as the expresion of love. The part entitled for guys told them to relax down and not be perverts! Hey! I have the dirtiest mind ever, and this is the reality. We should really help people with this. You know what I mean?
Really, I feel like you. Because I love my motherly side in conjunction with my whorish side.
How can I make them cope with each other? At times I don't really know. Well, I do, but it's a hard thing...
By good mothers, and good wives, I meant those traditional values. Just that.

For example, my mother says women are more sensitive and likely to fall in love with the men they have sex with. You know, all this vision that admires sweet women. Well, that's not what I hate, but the idea that is intrinsecal of women.
Nothing exists, to me. Everything was made for us. And gender over all things. Seriously. How much ado about nothing.

Yeah I see what you're saying, but I can't quite get how people are saying those things are feminist. Aren't they just trying to tie us to traditional gender roles? This is that old excuse that men and women are intrinsically different and that values women as feminine and men as masculine. That's rough for both sides -- for the sensitive 'feminine' men and for the 'masculine' women. In reality I think we're all a bit of both and we should just be ourselves. That's pretty idealistic though, and I'm not sure how we'd break through the constructs and manage it.

I completely agree with you. I've heard too many 'feminists' bitching about how men are pigs and only want us for sex but it really takes two (or more ahah) for that. I'm a girl and I love sex. I'd take a good lay over romance any day. I'm also comfortable with my body. It's not objectification because if I choose to look like a skank, it's for myself and not anyone else. I hate how we're supposed to be these fragile little girls. Anything a man can do I will also do if I enjoy it and I think that makes me a better feminist than all these annoying women that bitch about everything.

I think the problem is that there are so many interpretations of Feminism that it just ends up confusing people. Like I always thought that most Feminists are okay with sex and hate how women are viewed as victims, except the old second-wave ones. So please don't hate Feminism, just ignore the ones who are anti-sex and view women as dainty little flowers.

Originally Posted by pretty.Odd

I think the problem is that there are so many interpretations of Feminism that it just ends up confusing people. Like I always thought that most Feminists are okay with sex and hate how women are viewed as victims, except the old second-wave ones. So please don't hate Feminism, just ignore the ones who are anti-sex and view women as dainty little flowers.

I was gonna say something like this too because from what I've seen, it's been about our independence and not conforming to the gender roles assigned to us. I've never seen the types who are anti-sex and view women as dainty little flowers. I wouldn't consider them full on feminists if they are at all.

Liberal feminism is the type of feminism that actually makes sense.
It's the radical feminism that treats women as utter victims of social oppression whom must overcome men with their superiority.
And this form is also relatively intolerant and extremist.

So yeah, as someone said: don't give up on all feminists, or feminism in general; not all feminists are as vile as you'd think.
Women still need much more equality, and just because some people are fighting for that cause inappropriately, there's still much reason to seek social balance for all females.

Originally Posted by Ti Dominant

Liberal feminism is the type of feminism that actually makes sense.
It's the radical feminism that treats women as utter victims of social oppression whom must overcome men with their superiority.
And this form is also relatively intolerant and extremist.

So yeah, as someone said: don't give up on all feminists, or feminism in general; not all feminists are as vile as you'd think.
Women still need much more equality, and just because some people are fighting for that cause inappropriately, there's still much reason to seek social balance for all females.

I forgot about the extremists, I never related to them at all honestly.

Originally Posted by Revy2Hand

I forgot about the extremists, I never related to them at all honestly.

yeah **thinks about radical feminists, throws up**
Radical feminism is self-defeating and as vile, harmful, and offensive as blatant chauvinism.