Suicide: Is there someone to blame?

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    Suicide: Is there someone to blame?

    A lot of people have probably heard about Phoebe Prince. She was a fifteen year old girl from Massachusetts who committed suicide in January. In the last few weeks, a lot of developments over her case have arisen. Namely, nine of her peers are being indited for various crimes that are being blamed for the reason for her suicide.

    Here's a video:

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UE7XqiDT6E&feature=related"]YouTube - Teens Charged in Phoebe Prince's Death[/ame]

    This isn't the only instance of this happening. A girl in my area killed herself within the last year - she had sent her boyfriend an image of herself naked through texting (something now apparently called sexting). He forwarded the photo to someone and soon nearly everyone in the city had seen this girl naked. She was bullied and teased incessantly up to the point where she decided to kill herself.

    So, what I'm wondering is - Is it okay to blame someone else for a suicide? Under what conditions? In the case of Phoebe Prince, her family's lawyer is also trying to blame the school and teachers for negligence. Should her parents be blamed for negligence too? After all, they were also in her life and could see what was happening. What do you think is appropriate in this situation?

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    First of all, congrats. (:

    But I can see both sounds... like any NTP would lol. On one hand, tormenting someone for your own pleasure isn't cool. Especially when they are the new kid and it's over some boy. In the case of your girl, that picture shouldn't have been sent around. What reason is there to it?

    However, this is the real world. People are going to try their hardest to make you feel like shit until the day you die. People are going to talk trash, there are people who want to see you cry and you have to toughen up to it. Why would you send out a naked picture? You know you risk the entire world seeing it, so why put yourself in that position? In the case of the other girl, I'm pretty sure there's a bit more to that story, but once news people have picked a side, they tend to only tell the facts that make the victim look more like a victim. I'm sure she knew dating that boy would bring drama, it's a risk she decided to take.

    Anyway, to answer the question. It's a combination of both, but, ultimately, it comes down to the person and their will power. Are you going to let the comments of others get to you? If someone is physically abusing you, tell the teachers. No help there? Call the cops, they'll do something about it.
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    sounds fair...what they did fits the charge "criminal harassment" pretty well...
    idk about the statutory rape or stalking though...the vid gave no details about stalking or sex of any kind...

    the one in your local area though...thats just stupidity on her part, and insensitivity or thoughtlessness on her boyfriends part. idk if any criminal charges could be filed...unless she was underage, then they could get the people for trafficking kiddie porn.

    but i dont think you should blame suicide on anyone else...

    unless its a genetic predisposition...in which case u can blame your parents or mother nature...
    suicide is never sum1 else's fault
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    Having watched the video, I have to say that the charges against them are valid charges. They are not necessarily in the context of her suicide (though I'm sure that added weight to it). So yes, they should be blamed for harassing and threatening her, because they did, but the charges are not directly against her suicide itself from what I heard.
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    I am familiar with Phoebe Princes case. The girl came here from County Clare in Ireland. She had relatives in the US.
    The teachers are at fault as well as the other teens. I think criminal negligence is a fair charge. The defense would argue that the girl had other isssues like adjusting to a new country. And indeed that could have been a factor.

    Nonetheless these stories are tragic. I hope people wake up and think about the consequences of harrassing, and humiliating someone.
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    Society, I sometimes get the feeling of it coming off in a strange romantic way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sprinkles View Post
    Having watched the video, I have to say that the charges against them are valid charges. They are not necessarily in the context of her suicide (though I'm sure that added weight to it). So yes, they should be blamed for harassing and threatening her, because they did, but the charges are not directly against her suicide itself from what I heard.

    This is true, the charges are not directly against her death, they're for the acts that they committed against her that led to her killing herself.

    I probably wasn't entirely clear about this point - what I'm getting at is, should these people charged for her death? Would she have committed suicide if these things had not happened? Does that ultimately make her death their fault?

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    While the kids are doubtlessly in the wrong, ultimately the decision to end her life was Phoebe's, and Phoebe's alone. So I don't think they should hold anyone else responsible. If she hadn't killed herself the authorities would never have investigated, and it would be teenage life as normal. These kinds of things go on all the time. However, its seems pointless to punish their behavior when the only reason they are being punished is for the girls selfish act. Had she not killed herself this would be completely overlooked as it is on a daily basis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady K View Post
    This is true, the charges are not directly against her death, they're for the acts that they committed against her that led to her killing herself.

    I probably wasn't entirely clear about this point - what I'm getting at is, should these people charged for her death? Would she have committed suicide if these things had not happened? Does that ultimately make her death their fault?
    My junior kill himself after his girlfriend (who is also my junior) dumped him. He continuously told her that he would kill himself if she doesn't want him back. She got pissed and challenged him to kill himself. So he did.

    Would those people kill themselves if nothing happened? Maybe. I think the suicidal person have the will to kill herself. Those people just a trigger. If it's not them, there will be another trigger for her as an excuse for her to attempt suicide.

    Should the trigger people charged for the death? Although I think it depends on case by case, I personally thinks it is important to charged them. Or else things like this will continue for another people. It's a non-direct murder, IMO.

    Does that ultimately make her death their fault?
    No. Every one is responsible for their own actions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady K View Post



    This is true, the charges are not directly against her death, they're for the acts that they committed against her that led to her killing herself.

    I probably wasn't entirely clear about this point - what I'm getting at is, should these people charged for her death? Would she have committed suicide if these things had not happened? Does that ultimately make her death their fault?
    Most of the time, I'd say it isn't directly their responsibility that somebody commits suicide.

    I could think of some rare scenarios where one might be accountable for suicide, like actually kidnapping somebody and torturing them until they break... or other extreme intents to actually do harm, but I don't think the above cases necessarily count, even though they were unfortunately bad cases.
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