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This is a discussion on Line in the Bible about being blessed with abundance, isn't that greedy? within the Critical Thinking & Philosophy forums, part of the Topics of Interest category; @ Bear987 Of course the type of abundance is open for debate. I suppose I should have clarified further as ...

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    @Bear987

    Of course the type of abundance is open for debate. I suppose I should have clarified further as to the type...positive or negative abundance...even then the very definition of positive or negative abundance would be open to the same interpretation. I can't say I was speaking of wealth (noting your reference to "rich"), in my mind I was thinking of food, clothing, shelter...necessities most would need to survive. In any case, there are many various ways one cold be deemed "rich".

    So, to answer your question...no, abundance is not always a blessing but it depends on what you do with said abundance - what you choose to do can be the actual blessing. I was simply using the term blessing because of the original post used the reference from the Bible.
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  2. #42

    Quote Originally Posted by waterviolet View Post
    Shouldn't the blessing of abundance cause a moral Christian to share that blessing with others? Abundance to me would mean simply we are given more than we require to survive...some could see it as a temptation but I think the artistry in His plan would always allow for choice - a choice to be greedy or a choice to give what we don't require.
    I guess I should have asked him that instead of disagreeing with him automatically, woops!

    *considers contacting ex fiancee's older brother to let him know.. hmm

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    It is a karma like thing :D That book is more esoteric than the catholics wants you to believe. Slightly off topic, in my humble opinion, I think Jesus was the greatest taoist ever to have walked the earth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Usernamefoundyeyme View Post
    It is a karma like thing :D That book is more esoteric than the catholics wants you to believe. Slightly off topic, in my humble opinion, I think Jesus was the greatest taoist ever to have walked the earth.
    haha, I only really check this thread because it has my name on it- so selfish i know

    but- I did consider stealing your quote and putting it on my facebook, so i figured that was worth mentioning! I hope to see you post more in this forum, do you plan on staying here for a while?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Souled In View Post
    haha, I only really check this thread because it has my name on it- so selfish i know

    but- I did consider stealing your quote and putting it on my facebook, so i figured that was worth mentioning! I hope to see you post more in this forum, do you plan on staying here for a while?
    Thanks :) Post it on your FB anytime, I hope it blesses you with fortune in abundance. Or to quote Stravinsky: "enough is more than a lot". I think he was hinting at his dodekaphonia, the lazy bastard.
    I don't plan on staying here for long since I am heading for Cairo next week.
    Last edited by All in Twilight; 10-18-2012 at 04:22 PM.
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  6. #46

    Quote Originally Posted by Souled In View Post
    In the Bible somewhere, it says that living by moral faith and deed will result in being blessed with abundance, almost like a karma type thing.

    My question is: If we are so strong in faith, why do we need abundance?

    In fact, wouldn't having abundance be a temptation to focus on luxury instead of moral faith and deed?

    The only justification I can see for this passage is that perhaps those in power (with abundance), should be of good moral faith, and therefore it is like saying "those in good moral faith will be given the opportunity to have power."
    Good topic.

    To get to the real answer, we would have to consider what the Bible says about stewardship, ownership, and generosity. The verses you've referenced are dealing with generosity - our approach to money with consideration given to who actually owns what.

    Who owns it:

    The earth [is] the LORD'S, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein. Psalms 24:1

    The heavens [are] thine, the earth also [is] thine: [as for] the world and the fulness thereof, thou hast founded them. Psalms 89:11

    Who are the stewards:

    Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth and over all the creatures that move along the ground." Genesis 1:26

    The land is mine and you are but aliens and my tenants. Throughout the country that you hold as a possession, you must provide for the redemption of the land. Lev. 25:23-24

    How are we to steward:

    As for the rich in this present age, charge them not to be haughty, nor to set their hopes on the uncertainty of riches, but on God, who richly provides us with everything to enjoy. They are to do good, to be rich in good works, to be generous and ready to share, thus storing up treasure for themselves as a good foundation for the future, so that they may take hold of that which is truly life. I Timothy 6:17-19

    This defines a life of generosity, or good stewardship. We are to seek a relationship with the giver, not the gift. Approaching it from this direction would cause us to change the question from, "God, how much do you want me to give?" into, "God, how much do you want me to keep?" Thereby, our abundance becomes an even greater blessing.
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    6 But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully.
    2Corinthians 9:6
    Well getting bounty doesn't have to mean money, it could just mean blessings. If you follow God's commandments (sowing) then you will receive blessings from it (reaping). God always wants to bless his children.
    You can plant love in your heart for others and you can reap the blessings you get from that.

    When God blesses you with abundance (such as actual material things, money etc) It's to be used to help others and glorify God and to receive it with a grateful heart. Because everything is God's anyways, he's just letting you borrow it.

    "If we are so strong in faith, why do we need abundance?"
    it's not necessarily a material thing, it could be an abundance of happiness, of family, of love etc.
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    It's not greedy if you earn it, and to earn it you must do good for the right reasons, and don't think too much about the reward.
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  9. #49

    Quote Originally Posted by Bear987 View Post
    Would you consider abundance to be a blessing, even though Jesus spoke of how the rich would not end up in heaven?
    Jesus never said it was guaranteed being rich would land anyone in hell, he even said to one rich man he'd have treasure in heaven if he gave away his earthly possessions.

  10. #50

    Quote Originally Posted by niss View Post
    Good topic.

    To get to the real answer, we would have to consider what the Bible says about stewardship, ownership, and generosity. The verses you've referenced are dealing with generosity - our approach to money with consideration given to who actually owns what.

    Who owns it:

    The earth [is] the LORD'S, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein. Psalms 24:1

    The heavens [are] thine, the earth also [is] thine: [as for] the world and the fulness thereof, thou hast founded them. Psalms 89:11

    Who are the stewards:

    Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth and over all the creatures that move along the ground." Genesis 1:26

    The land is mine and you are but aliens and my tenants. Throughout the country that you hold as a possession, you must provide for the redemption of the land. Lev. 25:23-24

    How are we to steward:

    As for the rich in this present age, charge them not to be haughty, nor to set their hopes on the uncertainty of riches, but on God, who richly provides us with everything to enjoy. They are to do good, to be rich in good works, to be generous and ready to share, thus storing up treasure for themselves as a good foundation for the future, so that they may take hold of that which is truly life. I Timothy 6:17-19

    This defines a life of generosity, or good stewardship. We are to seek a relationship with the giver, not the gift. Approaching it from this direction would cause us to change the question from, "God, how much do you want me to give?" into, "God, how much do you want me to keep?" Thereby, our abundance becomes an even greater blessing.
    Is there anyway you can turn that into a single thesis, or point? I like the story telling and bible quotes, but I can't for the life of me focus on what it is you are trying to say with all of that fluff. :)


 

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