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    Could Ne and ADHD be the same?

    I've been paying close attention to ADHD and its relation to Ne over the last few years. I've noticed there is a massively disproportionate number of primary/secondary Ne users and ADHD. Also that people who have ADHD (such as myself) who aren't main Ne users tend to have very strong Ne anyways (as shown on function tests and behavioral traits).

    Thoughts?
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    No. Trust me, no.

    Correlation does not mean causation.

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    INFP

    No, because ADHD interferes with functioning and development. There are similarities but there is also symptoms that aren't typical of Ne characteristics.
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    Interestingly I know a few people who think it is. I know an ENTP who is diagnosed with ADHD and feels it's BS and says it's just an Ne dom thing. I myself as an Ne dom also have ADHD traits all over me. Same with many intuitiveness being diagnosed with things like autism too (Such as a few INTPs I have noticed). These people always say "It may be a diagnosed condition, but it's part of my personality still"

    Looking at statistics this article is very interesting;

    Is it ADHD or Creative Personality Type? | Ariane Benefit, M.S.Ed

    An interesting read as I have heard 'a lot' of debates and ideas regarding those who study and follow Carl Jung's and Myers Briggs psychology works that ADD/ADHD might not be a medical disorder but a simply personalty type or cognitive stacking that the medical industry has simply labelled a mental disorder. I mean, just because one develops slower than another or develops differently doesn't have to mean something is wrong with them, it's just different. Me having this exact issue in regards to having both "ADHD symptoms" and my Myers Briggs cognitive stacking being "ENFP", which happens to be one the personality types most commonly if not 'the most' commonly diagnosed for ADHD along with the other mentioned types .

    The only other theory is that ADHD "is" some kind of disorder, but only people with certain cognitive function orders and stackings develop it, having those natural personality traits overly augmented giving way to the condition.

    This is the ADHD diagnosed ENTP I spoke about, he made some videos on the subject, lengthy, but if they interest you, part 1 starts here;



    I feel a perfect quote to go with this whole issue is one on autism (though I'm not saying it's "not" some sort of disorder since it does affect people's lives and childhoods in drastic ways like sensitivity to things, panic, paranoia etc, which does lead to the interesting possibility that certain traits of autism may not be a "disorder" but an intuitive personality type with a disorder giving way to those aforementioned things "autistics" suffer with; ie the panic, sensitive sensory processing etc "combined" with a certain MBTI type = autism?), but it makes the same point, a friend who has autism put this on his wall once;



    So, with this view in mind, just because one's development is different, slower or quicker than anothers, doesn't make it wrong or an "error", it's just a "different operating system". Which is possibly what ADHD simply is, just that the world we live in, makes it harder for certain personality types to function efficiently since we live in a cookie cutter world. So ADHD or "Ne dom" personalities are a disorder in terms of the "world paradigm". Anyone who cannot fit into or function in this set up paradigm is simply considered "disabled" in accordance to this paradigm.

    Take a clock with gears, then try to place a misshaped gear in there, the clock will go crazy and spit out the gear or just wont work because that clock is set up to only use certain gears. Put the different shaped gear into a clock that accepts it, and that gear is no longer considered misshaped, but correct.

    But again, as I said, ADHD could really be a disorder, just that certain types get it due to function stack and then something in development goes "blagh" and the combination of MBTI stacking and that "blagh" leads to a "disorder" in accordance to it, which is why certain personality types may show a statistic pattern in what disorders they seem to get the most.
    Last edited by EccentricM; 11-12-2016 at 03:23 AM.
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    INFP

    Quote Originally Posted by EccentricM View Post
    Interestingly I know a few people who think it is. I know an ENTP who is diagnosed with ADHD and feels it's BS and says it's just an Ne dom thing. I myself as an Ne dom also have ADHD traits all over me. Same with many intuitiveness being diagnosed with things like autism too (Such as a few INTPs I have noticed). These people always say "It may be a diagnosed condition, but it's part of my personality still"

    Looking at statistics this article is very interesting;

    Is it ADHD or Creative Personality Type? | Ariane Benefit, M.S.Ed

    An interesting read as I have heard 'a lot' of debates and ideas regarding those who study and follow Carl Jung's and Myers Briggs psychology works that ADD/ADHD might not be a medical disorder but a simply personalty type or cognitive stacking that the medical industry has simply labelled a mental disorder. I mean, just because one develops slower than another or develops differently doesn't have to mean something is wrong with them, it's just different. Me having this exact issue in regards to having both "ADHD symptoms" and my Myers Briggs cognitive stacking being "ENFP", which happens to be one the personality types most commonly if not 'the most' commonly diagnosed for ADHD along with the other mentioned types .

    The only other theory is that ADHD "is" some kind of disorder, but only people with certain cognitive function orders and stackings develop it, having those natural personality traits overly augmented giving way to the condition.

    This is the ADHD diagnosed ENTP I spoke about, he made some videos on the subject, lengthy, but if they interest you, part 1 starts here;

    I feel a perfect quote to go with this whole issue is one on autism (though I'm not saying it's "not" some sort of disorder since it does affect people's lives and childhoods in drastic ways like sensitivity to things, panic, paranoia etc, which does lead to the interesting possibility that certain traits of autism may not be a "disorder" but an intuitive personality type with a disorder giving way to those aforementioned things "autistics" suffer with; ie the panic, sensitive sensory processing etc "combined" with a certain MBTI type = autism?), but it makes the same point, a friend who has autism put this on his wall once;

    So, with this view in mind, just because one's development is different, slower or quicker than anothers, doesn't make it wrong or an "error", it's just a "different operating system". Which is possibly what ADHD simply is, just that the world we live in, makes it harder for certain personality types to function efficiently since we live in a cookie cutter world. So ADHD or "Ne dom" personalities are a disorder in terms of the "world paradigm". Anyone who cannot fit into or function in this set up paradigm is simply considered "disabled" in accordance to this paradigm.

    Take a clock with gears, then try to place a misshaped gear in there, the clock will go crazy and spit out the gear or just wont work because that clock is set up to only use certain gears. Put the different shaped gear into a clock that accepts it, and that gear is no longer considered misshaped, but correct.

    But again, as I said, ADHD could really be a disorder, just that certain types get it due to function stack and then something in development goes "blagh" and the combination of MBTI stacking and that "blagh" leads to a "disorder" in accordance to it, which is why certain personality types may show a statistic pattern in what disorders they seem to get the most.
    Another explanation is that those with ADHD often mistype as Ne doms because the symptoms overshadow their type.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverontime View Post
    Another explanation is that those with ADHD often mistype as Ne doms because the symptoms overshadow their type.
    That's possible also. But the best way to determine that is to actually examine their processing and intellectual ability. If it was just that ADHD overshadowing mbti, they would not have the personality/processing traits of another MBTI, they would just be very restless and all over the place, unable to focus, but not in a way that was "cognitive" I feel. They would still process in accordance to their mbti stacks, but would struggle to do so because of the ADHD getting in the way, but most with ADHD tend to be of a "creative/intuitive personality", which would not happen if it was just ADHD overshadowing mbti.
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    INFP

    Quote Originally Posted by EccentricM View Post
    That's possible also. But the best way to determine that is to actually examine their processing and intellectual ability. If it was just that ADHD overshadowing mbti, they would not have the personality/processing traits of another MBTI, they would just be very restless and all over the place, unable to focus, but not in a way that was "cognitive" I feel. They would still process in accordance to their mbti stacks, but would struggle to do so because of the ADHD getting in the way, but most with ADHD tend to be of a "creative/intuitive personality", which would not happen if it was just ADHD overshadowing mbti.
    It would be difficult to determine without studying people closely, I agree.
    Another factor to consider is that there are three times more males than females diagnosed with adhd. There aren't three times more males than females typed as intuitives, it's much closer to equal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverontime View Post
    It would be difficult to determine without studying people closely, I agree.
    Another factor to consider is that there are three times more males than females diagnosed with adhd. There aren't three times more males than females typed as intuitives, it's much closer to equal.
    But do intuitive males and females behave differently? If so, perhaps the condition is measured by male intuitive traits. Which then leads to more investigating; Are most women with ADHD tomboyish?

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    Unknown

    When put through the meat grinder of social expectations, of course males and females will behave differently...but this is also something to which we compare traits of ADHD to begin with. You'd have to begin with something to measure - is there deviation?

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    INFP

    Quote Originally Posted by EccentricM View Post
    But do intuitive males and females behave differently? If so, perhaps the condition is measured by male intuitive traits. Which then leads to more investigating; Are most women with ADHD tomboyish?
    That wouldn't reflect the statistics presented in the article though. The 12% Ne types is approx half males and half females, but the 12% adhd is not.
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