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This is a discussion on Intuitives and Abstract/Symbolic Thinking-- A Sensing Asks! within the Cognitive Functions forums, part of the Personality Type Forums category; Originally Posted by Eos If you have yet to see this video it will help clarify the differences in thinking ...
There are a couple of things that you need to consider here, like the following.
1. Ni versus Ne.
2. Dominant versus auxiliary.
3. The influence of the dominant function (for auxiliary iNtuitive).
4. User maturity and background (May not be pertinent to the discussion though).
Since your functions are TeSiNeFi, it may be more appropriate to talk about Ne instead of Ni. Anyway.
I'm TiNe, which means I'm auxiliary Ne user. My experience will be different compared to Ni user, Ne dominant user, and FiNe user. Even other TiNe user will have different experience due to different background and level of maturity.
When people present me with something, say an observation, I could not help but to think about different outcomes available from that observation. In addition, I'm curious about why s/he present the observation, and how s/he say it.
For example, it is 24 degree Celsius cloudy weather.
People: Nice weather isn't it?
Me: It's cloudy and therefore it may be a good weather for a read in the park. It feels colder than the usual weather though. Then again, it may be due to the clouds. Will it be raining today? How about the weather conditions in the past few days? Wait, why do this person comments about the weather? Maybe this person wants to make a small talk. After all, weather is one of the most common things to talk about in social setting. Another thing to talk about is the well-being of the person. Or how's the day going for that person. Maybe this person is bored and looking for some conversational partner to pass some time. Usually it will be raining cats and dogs in these time of the year. I'm guessing I should be grateful that it's cloudy today instead of raining.
Me: Yes, it is a nice. The weather, I mean.
The italics represent the things I think about when people present verbally some observation. Though it is more scattered and oftentimes, abruptly stop in the middle of nowhere.
An usual disclaimer: My thought pattern may be different under different state, circumstance and tasks involved.
I remember one situation from when I was a kid, I learned a strange bit of information: water boils at a higher temperature when in a pressure pan. I asked my dad (ESTJ) about why is that, he said "because it's under pressure". I was like .. wtf?
In retrospect (looking back), the kind of answer I wanted was something like this:
Even though you think water boils at 100 degrees, that's not really true. The state of water between ice/liquid/gas depends not only on the temperature, but on the pressure too.
Notice what that statement does. It "fixes" my mental model about the thing. Before, I used to think: water freezes at 0 and boils at 100. But now, I've fixed that by adding an extra variable: pressure. The 0-100 thing is only under normal/usual pressure.
Before, the pressure pan thing seemed like a really odd exception to the rule. But now, it's a very normal consequence of the rules.
Though again I guess this has more to do with Ti than Ne.
With dom Ne at work--my default state--I have a running internal monologue of free association going on. If the environment carries no new information (say I am walking through a hallway I pass through every day) I am usually imagining possible outcomes of my tentative plan for the day or some problem that had been weighing on me emotionally.
Example of my train if thought which is Ne filtered by Fi-
(Walking through a hallway at my university research building) If x prospective love interest decides to go to office hours instead of sit at his usual take? He might do that since he seems agitated today, but he hasn't ever gone before so why would he start now? I should go see Professor Smith about that proposal outline, but it's not completely finished so he might be dismissive and think I haven't done much work at all on it. Why would he think that though considering my huge list of sources, but still, he cares more about structure than content according to that critique of my first draft. Still, he contradicted that in his latest corrections of my paper, didn't he? Saying my structure was good but content was lacking. I will just sit down here at my usual...but someone's already there, ugh! Would it be weird to sit in the same general vicinity even though I would normally have no reason to? The reasons the heart has, the mind knows... er, how does that idiom go? Why can't I remember that? It was in a book with that poem about walking in the light, and I can almost picture it on the page in my minds eye, gah. The structure of the sentence involved a contrast made, so heart if the opposite of...mind? No, the heart has reasons that... reason knows nothing of! That has the right ring to it. Was that really it though? How does that even make sense? Reason is synonymous with brain in this context... or maybe the concept of reasoning itself? Reason knows nothing of, anthropomorphizing Reason. Why not just switch "brain" for reason to make a more even parallel? Ugh how cold and clinical that sounds. Why isn't he here yet? So the outline needs the second section shifted to the bottom of the paper so the sequence of ideas is more linear. Does moving this paragraph up there look right? Who is that talking so... its HIM and he's sitting with that Asian man he said hi to the other day. Why us he speaking loudly enough to get my attention through head phones? Does he know I'm sitting right behind him? The socialization of cats is supported by what evidence...what changes happened shaping the morphology of their common ancestor to yield the modern feline? Aggressive ancestors, docile house cats, differing in build and temperament... but is the change in temperament due to their brain shape and biological factors or simply training? Has to be brain shape since animal instinct causes trained chimps to attack people, so I'll Google scholar papers about feline temperament brain structure. I'll just reach down and take a sip of my coffee as an excuse to look around the room...
Thats a typical chunk of my mental discourse. My Ne is obviously not targeted toward being productive here but its far easier to portray NeFi when talking about how Ne operates. I tried to show how Ne jumps around from the present to the past database of stored experiences, from the macro level perspective to the micro object oriented view, making connections and associating qualities with other qualities, switching between the three or four simultaneous processes I have going on in my minds eye. Multi tasking its my default state, manageable due to the visual map in my head that creates a picture of everything that needs to be done with the pathways being the fuzzy part. I don't plan how to get from point A to point B because I am always changing directions and refining the end product and you can't very well stay on the same straight path if your desired outcome is constantly changing. If you are not a visual spatial thinker I don't think it will be productive to try to use more Ne because it will be too taxing and not time efficient. Its wonderful that you can think linearly though. It is required for jobs that fulfill different niche in society that someone like me would never be able to handle!
Last edited by shedreamt; 01-07-2012 at 01:27 PM.
With that being said i love the way you expressed yourself. Ne is a beautiful thing, we can go on rants like no other. Believe me, i've done it many times. I actually did read it ;)....and was mostly teasing you. Nicely put, thanks for sharing your thoughts :)
Last edited by MuChApArAdOx; 01-07-2012 at 01:48 PM.