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  1. #1
    INFP - The Idealists

    Introverted Intuition Vs Extraverted Intuition

    What the hell is the difference?

    Please use simple definitions with examples as I have read mantra like this

    Introverted iNtuiting involves synthesizing the seemingly paradoxical or contradictory, which takes understanding to a new level. Using this process, we can have moments when completely new, unimagined realizations come to us. A disengagement from interactions in the room occurs, followed by a sudden “Aha!” or “That’s it!” The sense of the future and the realizations that come from introverted iNtuiting have a sureness and an imperative quality that seem to demand action and help us stay focused on fulfilling our vision or dream of how things will be in the future. Using this process, we might rely on a focal device or symbolic action to predict, enlighten, or transform. We could find ourselves laying out how the future will unfold based on unseen trends and telling signs. This process can involve working out complex concepts or systems of thinking or conceiving of symbolic or novel ways to understand things that are universal. It can lead to creating transcendent experiences or solutions.

    and this

    Extraverted iNtuiting involves noticing hidden meanings and interpreting them, often entertaining a wealth of possible interpretations from just one idea or interpreting what someone’s behavior really means. It also involves seeing things “as if,” with various possible representations of reality. Using this process, we can juggle many different ideas, thoughts, beliefs, and meanings in our mind at once with the possibility that they are all true. This is like weaving themes and threads together. We don’t know the weave until a thought thread appears or is drawn out in the interaction of thoughts, often brought in from other contexts. Thus a strategy or concept often emerges from the here-and-now interactions, not appearing as a whole beforehand. Using this process we can really appreciate brainstorming and trust what emerges, enjoying imaginative play with scenarios and combining possibilities, using a kind of cross-contextual thinking. Extraverted iNtuiting also can involve catalyzing people and extemporaneously shaping situations, spreading an atmosphere of change through emergent leadership.

    countless times and still don't get a clear cut picture. It just seems like scholars trying to use big fancy words but ultimately say the same thing
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  2. #2
    INFP - The Idealists

    My understanding has always been this

    Ni: focuses on serial possibilities that follow one after the other in a linear progression

    i.e. too much money chasing too few goods shows suppliers such as businesses that consumers not only want their product but have the money to spend on it, signalling an increase in demand leading to businesses raising prices to make a greater profit and capitalise on the opportunity leading to inflation and erosion of the currency's purchasing power which is a bad thing leading to an independent monetary authority such as the central bank to intervene and correct this problem by raising interest rates leading to people who have mortgages to spend less leading to a fall in prices once businesses see that consumers are not willing to pay as much given their limited budgets leading to a reduction in inflation and a stabilisation of the currency and the economy

    Ni is about how one possibility leads to another in a sequential or linear progression, each even triggering the next

    Ne focuses on parallel possbilities that may not link one after the other but exist side by side and may all be true. On top of this they may have other possibilities that branch off the initial possibilities identified

    i.e.

    Are you sorry because:

    1. You got caught, and even though you got caught is someone forcing you to apologise?

    or

    2. You are genuinely sorry

    or

    3. Both of the above, and if both, then which of the two is the greater factor if any at all, or are both factors equally weighted?
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    INFJ - The Protectors

    I'm no expert on cognitive functions. But I've understood Ni and Ne as being convergent and divergent respectively. Where Ni primarily converges on a conclusion from the information gathered, like connect the dots and the stars above, as Ne primarily diverges from one idea, concept or even word to multiple meanings. I'm probably wrong, but that's what I understand it to be. Ni travelling to the roots of a tree from the branches, and Ne travelling from the roots to the branches and beyond.

    Obviously we're capable of more than our preference; but that's what I mean by primary usage, considering that the MBTI measures preference and not ability. Don't quote me, I am unsure of my regurgitated knowledge. I hope this helps.
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  5. #5
    Unknown Personality

    I have troubles understanding these two functions as well (despite supposedly using one of them) but I found it helpful to make a little thought experiment:

    How would an Ni scientist and an Ne scientist conduct research?

    Ni would use deduction and Ne would use induction. Ok, real world scientists would use whichever method was more appropriate - probably both of them together - but let's forget the real world for a while here, ok?


    The Ni scientist begins with an idea or a theory. He narrows his idea down into a specific hypothesis that can be tested. He goes into his lab (or library or the field) and observes what happens. Based on his observations, he concludes his theory either true or false.

    So Ni begins with the general and narrows it down into specifics. Ni, as an introverted function, begins in the mind. It generates an idea and checks how the idea is manifested in the physical, external world - the realm of Se.

    Ni is concerned with narrowing things down and testing hypotheses. Se helps Ni with observing the physical world to confirm hypotheses.


    The Ne scientist begins with an observation. Ne, as an extraverted function, observes the external, physical world to generate its ideas.

    The Ne scientist may notice a certain pattern to his observations. This is where Si helps Ne: some observations may feel oddly familiar, as if they were connected somehow. The scientist begins to wonder if this pattern could be applied to not only the things he's already observed, but to other things as well. (He sees the possibilities and all possible connections.) Based on the pattern observed, he develops many hypotheses than can be explored, and finally after exploring them, forms a theory.

    Ne is interested in open-ended exploration of theories and possibilities. Si helps Ne with connecting newly observed data with previously observed data.


    Of course, in the real world, functions don't work as systematically or consciously as the scientists in my example. Especially Ne feels to me much more random and spontaneous than that: when I see or read or experience something, it makes all kinds of random ideas and connections pop up in my head. But basically, my thought process goes like the one in the example, and I know I feel much more comfortable using inductive reasoning.

    So, I guess my example boils down to what Azure Bass explained:

    Quote Originally Posted by Azure Bass View Post
    Ni travelling to the roots of a tree from the branches, and Ne travelling from the roots to the branches and beyond.
    Ni begins with a general idea or hunch and narrows it down into facts, while Ne begins with the facts and observations and expands from there into the general idea. Therefore, Ni begins in your own psyche (it's an introverted function after all) and sees the outer world as a manifestation of the idea. Ne, on the other hand, observes the outer world (it's an extroverted function after all) and generates ideas based on the observations.
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  6. #6
    ENTP - The Visionaries

    I suggest a renaming of both functions to Di and De, respectively Introverted Delusion and Extraverted Delusion.
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  7. #7
    INFJ - The Protectors

    Quote Originally Posted by Extraverted Delusion View Post
    I suggest a renaming of both functions to Di and De, respectively Introverted Delusion and Extraverted Delusion.
    Why consider it delusion and not intuition? What makes the difference for you?

  8. #8
    ENTP - The Visionaries

    Quote Originally Posted by Azure Bass View Post
    Why consider it delusion and not intuition? What makes the difference for you?
    Intuition lives on the "what ifs" of things, and sees what could be of something without necessary process of reason. Although some people base their intuition on logic, or personal value systems (T vs F), its generally not in the here and now, concrete, or necessarily "correct" as Sensing would be.

    By the way, check out my username. That's my dom. :P

  9. #9
    INFJ - The Protectors

    Both types of intuition deal with symbols. The symbolic. Ne projects the symbolic (the unconscious) onto the outside world. So when we say "what if?" or "what will be?" we're not actually saying this from a factual standpoint with Extraverted Intuition we're dealing with it from a symbolic standpoint. What will be or what was based on your own imagining (unconscious symbols). This is why no two people will imagine or project the same thing. Ne starts with a possibility and branches out to more and more possibilities. Ne starts with the atom and eventually branches out enough to discover the universe.

    Ni is a little different. Ni is closer actually to what we think of when we say 'intuition.' Having a gut-feeling about something or a sixth sense. With Ni what happens is your brain draws connections between the symbols of your unconscious. All of your memories, knowledge, experiences, etc. and finds patterns linking two or more seemingly disparate symbols together (synthesis). When this connection is made it can become conscious through the pipeline of Introverted Intuition as an epiphany or "Eureka!" moment. Ni translates the symbols of the unconscious into something we can understand on a conscious level. The problem with Ni is that Ni-types often don't know how they know what they know because all the work is done unconsciously (and will get frustrated if pressed to explain themselves). The solution just occurs to them out of nowhere. People with dominant Ni need to be able to trust their intuitions, as they have adapted this as their primary way of perceiving the world, thus Ni will need to rely heavily on Se to bring in more and more information. The more information the Ni type gets, the more finely tuned and well defined the intuitions are. This is why Ni-doms get the stereotype of clairvoyance or having ESP or psychic abilities and what not because they have the ability to pick up on patterns and link them together very accurately. This also gives them a propensity to be know-it-alls and manipulative as they often know how a situation might unfold well before it happens. Ni starts with the universe and eventually uncovers the atom.
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  10. #10
    Unknown Personality

    Quote Originally Posted by Extraverted Delusion View Post
    I suggest a renaming of both functions to Di and De, respectively Introverted Delusion and Extraverted Delusion.
    How about Sensing then? In my opinion, Si and Se are forms of delusion too. After all, despite their focus on "concrete" things, they're still processes that occur in the mind, just like Intuition.

    Sensors are not seeing "reality" as it is, they're still processing their perceptions iside the brain just like Intuitives. Even the most extreme of Se types isn't looking at the world as it is, he's still filtering everything he sees through his own psychological lens. The lens of a Sensor is different from that of an Intuitive, but it's still a lens.

    I'd go as far as calling all perceiving functions Delusion. No human being will ever be able to see reality "as it is"!

    (Sorry, off topic.)
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