Ne and Ti / Te and Ni - do you think it is possible to switch between them?

I either have well developed all of Ni, Ne, Ti, Te or I can switch in between the sets I have put in the title.
It seems to me that E-I and P-J are fluctuant in my case.
I'm pretty sure that I'm AMBIVERT. I feel comfortable sitting in my room for months as well as socializing heavily for even longer.



Now when sitting on my own I would use Ni with Te.
In social situations Ne with Ti.

Funny part I've been playing with meta programmes and I can switch from P to J. I doesn't seem permanent though. As I got back to P after prelonged time of stress. Not a problem I can repeat the alteration process. But once I'm in XNTJ my habits, patterns of thinking and general beheviour changes.

I've been thinking about having bipolar symptoms or multi-personality disorder. But I'm positively high most of the time no matter what(for bipolar I would have to experience major lows) and I do remember everything I've done (that seems to be most significant criteria in multi case).

Seriously I'm lost in terms of my cognitive functions order. I've seen some ppl having that listed in signatures, but all I can see in my case is Ne <>= Ni > Ti <>= Te with Sx and Fx somewhere in the back.

I don't even want to think if Tx comes first once I have altered all the meta programms for J. At least not yet.

I've seen many cognitive function's theories and Lenore Thomson's with strong left-brain dominance would be something I can think of. Putting Fx, Sx in front of Nx or Tx doesn't make any sense to me.

Any insight?

OK check this out.

Ne 48 > Ni 44.9 > Ti 41.3 > Se 36.1 > Te 32.9 > Fi 29.8 > Fe 6.2 > Si 1.2

according to Keys 2 Cognition

I've comparing that to all popular Jungian cognitive function models AND
Lenore Thomson's is so accurate. Myers' and Beebe's are way too different. I fucking knew that I could use both Ne and Ni to great extend. I'm just a bit surprised by Se being in the front of Te.

Thomson's model in the bottom of:

Jungian cognitive functions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I wanted to edit last post, but I will not do this due 3 days that have passed in between and I want to make clear what has changed.

I was thinking about the results I have had last time and come to conlusion that when I took the test I was:
- overenthusiastic
- too bold
- goal oriented

That made me to wait till I was more calm with the subject and I did repeat the test which produced this results:

Ne 44.2 > Ti 40.2 > Ni 36.8 > Te 33.7 > Se 33.1 = Fi 33.1 > Fe 10.3 > Si 9.2

I'm awere that I wanted to see Ni so much lower so in fact it's somewhere within range of 44.9 > Ni > 36.8. Still could be in the front of Ti, but lets say its not because that makes me feel better ;) OK intially I wanted to see if I could go from Ne/Ti to Te/Ni. Now I see I can just a little more work on Te that I have planned anyway. And to be honest I'm gonna do something with Fe as well even if it means "thinking about other's emotions and how to connect" as in fact that is what stops my development.

And btw I'm still a fan of Lenore Thomson's model ;) According to it I have big black whole in the middle of my left cerebal hemisphere. No surprise why my left thumb comes on the top of right one haha (who has done the "find out what is your brain sex test" knows what I'm talking about).

EDIT: I figured out the strong Se - martial arts, this shit clearly makes me present
I should have started using god damned blog for that, because it definitly looks like one - this thread ;)
Remember you are free to write something.

Anyone who lists their cognitive function order and includes something like: Ne > Ni > Te > Ti, etc doesn’t know anything about Jungian Cognitive Functions.

You could always google “Jungian Cognitive Functions” or read about them in Jung’s books. :)

I'm only familiar with Jungian functions and Meyers Briggs. They line up well. Don't know about the others.

Well, it looks like you're between Ne>Ti>Fe>Si (ENTP) and Ni>Te>Fi>Se (INTJ). From that fact alone that you're deciding between these two choices I'd guess you're ENTP.

There's a couple ways you could tell from here. Easiest would be to tell whether you're a judger or a perceiver. Generally, if a person has trouble deciding whether they are a judger or a perceiver I assume perceiver, but you could look deeper into this through Meyers Briggs.

Alternatively, you could look at Fe vs. Fi. The best descriptions I've found for these are at Intro to Function Theory + More Detailed Descriptions of Each Function Attitude.


The Fi descriptions around here tend to be pretty good, but the Fe ones often have negative biases. I found a good one by Nobleheart, cut and pasted below:



"I've frequently seen people reference Lenore Thomson's definitions of Fe, and I feel that I need to clarify something (as Fe is want to do). Lenore Thomson is self assessed INTJ, and from what I've read of her work, I would agree. She's a brilliant INTJ with an amazing amount of insight about cognitive function theory. However, as an INTJ, she has no native understanding of Fe, and therefore can only understand it as an external concept through her observations, and furthermore her filters of Te and Fi. This leaves her in a position where her understanding of Fe comes only from observing Fe in others, usually SFJs, and therefore her descriptions of Fe are not entirely well defined and rather biased as an outsider.

Therefore, I feel compelled to clear up some misconceptions about Fe.

Fe is at its core a system of reasoning based on how it feels things should or should not be.

Let's analyze this statement. Fe is at its core a system of reasoning - meaning that it is in fact a process of analysis, deduction, and assertion. Based on how it feels - denoting an emotional, philosophical, and ideological bias. Things - external concepts, people, places, systems, etc. Should or should not be - denoting an expression and assertion of expectations.

Combine all of these factors, and you now understand Fe. Values and judgments applied to the outer world.

However, all of these factors create very common behaviors. Fe users often have a great deal of emotional investment in people, even strangers. Fe users often have a great deal of expectation in social arenas and emotional interaction. Fe users often engage in what could be called emotional currency. All of these behaviors are the result of Fe being applied to these situations, not Fe itself. This is such an important distinction to make for people who are not native Fe users. Fe is not the sum of its expressions because its expressions are half Fe half situation, and most importantly not all Fe users have the same expressions of Fe.

For example, a stereotypical Fe dominant would use their Fe to adapt to others and create harmony - because they feel that's how things should be. However, another Fe user could just as easily create conflict with others because they feel that the others are not doing things the way they should be done. This proves that Fe is not the 'get along' function so much as the assertion of values function. Fe users often prefer harmony, because they often feel that harmony should exist not because Fe inherently seeks harmony. Fe inherently seeks to exert the individual's values with respect to the external.

A classic example of this is how obnoxious some ENTPs and ESTPs can be because their inferior Fe feels things should be a certain way, as led by how their Ti understands things to work. I've known several ENTPs and ESTPs who very much felt that harmony was a waste of time. However, this is still a manifestation of Fe.

Therefore, as much as Fi is a function of one's internal values. Fe is a function of one's external values. This is evidenced by the fact that most Fe users know exactly how they feel about things, but are often unable to discern how they feel inside. Fe users have strong opinions, but are often a mystery to themselves - assuming they bother to question their own feelings (Fi) because Fe tells them how they should feel. An Fe user can convince themselves that they should feel things or in ways that they simply cannot, and this can cause a great deal of internal emotional conflict. On the other hand, an Fe user can convince themselves that they should feel something and thus be motivated to greatness. For example an ESTP who convinces themselves that they should be tough, fearless, etc. or an ESFJ who convinces themselves that they should be benevolent, kind, and patient. In both cases the individual is applying an external ideal to themselves, and is thus using Fe rather than Fi.

The idea that Fe is inherently based on how others feel is incorrect. Fe can be swayed by the opinions of others, but it is just as capable of bolstering itself against the opinions of others. What matters is whether or not the Fe user feels they should be swayed by the others in question. For example, a religious Fe user would likely feel that they should adapt their views to match their religion, but would not at all feel compelled to adapt their views to match another religion when around people of a different faith. This person may feel compelled to be polite and harmonious, and therefore respect the other faith's right to its traditions, but would feel strongly that they should not also practice while in the presence of it. However, an Fe user who feels antagonistic to another faith might well be disruptive if they felt this was what should be done. Fe is one of the biggest reasons for religious clashes. Clearly, Fe users in wars of ideology are not feeling compelled to be harmonious. In fact, some of the most heated arguments come from two Fe users who have differing views on how things should be.

Therefore, while Fe is usually motivated to be harmonious, and many other things attributed to it, because it is a function of external values, it must be noted that Fe is simply that - a function of external values, and as such it is much more diverse and applicable than most definitions give it credit."


If this applies to you better than Fi (a shorter one you can find in the link), you're probably ENTP than INTJ and vice-versa.



Overall, this post is heavily slanted by my assumption that you are ENTP. I hope the information is helpful anyway.

BeanDelphiki I want to thank you for what you have mentioned. It does make sense to me and I have theory that would support this INTJ growing up inside of me for a while. I have to think about that a bit more later on as at the moment I'm busy with other stuff. My Fe has been blocked due my emotional shutdown, but I'm or at least I was ENTP to start with and I know it for sure. I'm highly expressed extrovert in social situations, but I have tendencies to dive into something pretty deep. The only thing that would really go against INTJ is lack of structure and P being dominating in this "dives".

Tests are not an accurate measure of your functions. Their accuracy relies on your answering questions to represent yourself exactly as you are in reality and in comparison to all the other people out there. Can you sure you have answered the questions of the test with 100% accuracy?

Sometimes I see that people who claim to use functions not assigned to their type simply don't understand what these functions actually stand for. They take tests and focus on test results but never actually read about jungian functions in depth or try to correlate functions to real behaviors. They don't understand the functional theory very well and as a result make a lot of blunders in interpreting their behavior and how it relates to their functional order.

I've have run through all the books I could find, been reading, testing and playing with it for couple of months now :)
And trust me as far as I know:
- both Ne and Ni are strongly developed,
- then comes Ti as a natural thing of mine
- Te - developed in order to plan and achieve,
- Se - martial arts,
- Fi - I know what I feel like and I'm aware of my own feelings - developed as well in order to achive, understand myself better
- Si - stinks and I know it
- Fe - this is more of thinking how someone could respond then actually going any deeper

Originally Posted by DarkSideOfLight

I've have run through all the books I could find, been reading, testing and playing with it for couple of months now :)
And trust me as far as I know:
- both Ne and Ni are strongly developed,
- then comes Ti as a natural thing of mine
- Te - developed in order to plan and achieve,
- Se - martial arts,
- Fi - I know what I feel like and I'm aware of my own feelings - developed as well in order to achive, understand myself better
- Si - stinks and I know it
- Fe - this is more of thinking how someone could respond then actually going any deeper

Function preference act as gravity points. If you do not consciously concentrate on using other functions, you will be pulled back into your standard mode. That standard mode is your type.

Tests, especially those percentage based scale tests are misleading and fills no purpose. Most of the questions that according to the test pertain to Ti, for example, can also pertain to Te. Also, a lot of the stuff written about cognitive functions is contradictory and incorrect. Especially the descriptions of the intuitive functions. It's a mess.

I always score high on pretty much everything except Si, Fi and Fe in these tests. This does not mean I use Ne, for example. It just means I interpreted the questions in such a way that the test gave me a result with high Ne.

Your function order can not be determined by one of these tests. You have to observe yourself as you handle different situations, and by doing that you can find the smallest common denominators in your thought processes. Tests are fun but useless.

Also, according to function theory, there is no such thing as a percentage scale rating how good you are at using different functions. There is just an order of four (or eight) functions in a personality, and that is the order of preference. It's pretty binary and it builds with big blocks.

Theory does not take into account how good you are at using these functions - just your preference for them.

I think it's just a case of you being extroverted. Due this attitude towards life many doors to the extroverted functions are easily opended. That's why you feel you have good control over Te and Se, and you're right. Yet, only one personality type defines you (75%) and that's why you've chosen ENTP. Other reasons would be environmental, or genetics one. In this case you somehow extroverted you're Ti, and your thinking isn't done internally and materialised externaly through Ne, but you chose to order and control directly the world around you (there is a big confusion between Te and Ti, they both plan and structure, yet one does it externally and it needs a direct approach and control, and the other one just takes place in your mind, hidden from the world). And here comes the shy, yet existent Ni, it's just a help and guidance when you want to use you're Te and Se, but you're not a real Ni user.