Thinker Feeler Differences

Originally Posted by matilda

5. To describe a Thinker as a Thinker is both honest and affirming (because of #4 above), but to describe a Feeler as a Feeler is often felt to be disaffirming or demeaning, for the same reason. Feelers therefore wish to imagine themselves Thinkers, regardless of the facts. Just as there is only one answer to the question, "Are you lying?" (No), regardless of whether the respondent is telling the truth or lying, so also everybody wants to tell you they are a Thinker: the actual Thinkers follow their own values by telling the truth, and the Feelers also affirm their own values in lying about it -- but in doing so they violate the values they falsely claim of themselves.

According to the interpretation below, the INTP has inferior extraverted feeling and will conform to social nicities as a means to be accepted. Conforming in such a way is not truth, it is giving in to an (dare I say?) emotion, then logically rationalizing why it is good to do so. There is a yin and yang quality of the functions, I find. One can not exist without the other. Thinkers lie to themselves (and others) just as much as feelers do. They may fool themselves into believing that they are telling an objective truth because they use logic to lie. The fallacy is in the fact that they are not being objective about their self and the way that they feel.

How do you differentiate between somebody who scores extremely high on cognitive tests in all Ti, Te, Fi and Fe??? Would it be fair to classify someone with such a score as a thinker if in the past when they were less healthy, appeared devoid of almost all emotion to others including themself?

For the full article, please check this link. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intp

Dominant: Introverted Thinking (Ti)
Ti seeks precision, such as the exact word to express an idea. It notices the minute distinctions that define the essence of things, then analyzes and classifies them. Ti examines all sides of an issue, looking to solve problems while minimizing effort and risk. It uses models to root out logical inconsistency. [15] Ti is calm, articulate, and aware of the forces that bind reality together. As introverted Thinkers, INTPs spend the majority of their time and energy ordering the interior, logical world of principles and generalizations in an effort to understand.

Inferior: Extraverted Feeling (Fe)

Fe seeks social connections and creates harmonious interactions through polite, considerate, and appropriate behavior. Fe responds to the explicit (and implicit) wants of others, and may even create an internal conflict between the subject’s own needs and the desire to meet the needs of others. [18] Fe drives the INTP to desire harmony in community. At their most relaxed, INTPs can be charming and outgoing among friends, or when they have a clearly defined role in the group. When under stress, however, INTPs can feel disconnected from the people around them, unable to use their extraverted Feeling to reach out to others. As their inferior function, Feeling can be a weak point; when threatened they will hide behind a wall of stoic logic. This can lead them to bottle up their emotions to preserve reason and harmony; but a failure to deal with these concealed emotions can lead to childish outbursts.

These things always make me think I am T. I always test with a weak F.
But I have read many, many descriptions of INFJ and INTJ, and INFJ always describes me nearly perfectly. INTJ is almost always very far off.

I suppose my E-5 function could have something to do with this. It does contradict my F somewhat.

That is an interesting point. Often the other parts of a personality go with the T or F though, like maybe since introverted feelers don't really share their feelings aloud as often as extroverted feelers do they then have the time to make their ideas come out more as T-like statements. Also from what I can gather about the intuitive side, it makes you more grey, so you're probably open to both sides, which could be why you come out as an F, but think you are a T?

Jobs relating to T vs. F also have a lot to do with the other letter as well. If you are an ST or SF your words are going to come out in a lot more detail that an NF or NT, and you probably think that way too. Like I know I really like reading and history because I'm good at remembering details, but I have a lot of NT friends who aren't as good at that because they always complain about so much information. Then again, they're a lot better at math then I am. Like I'm sure that SF's probably are good at the arts and NF's may be better at teaching or english? Not really sure, that just seems to be how my friends and family work out. It doesn't mean the others can't do it, just that it may not come as easily. But I still think that thinking and feeling aspects really combine with the other letters as well.

still...too clear cut.

The very idea of Men are from Mars makes me want to puke.

Good, in fact very good observations. It's a pity thinking and feeling aren't mutually exclusive...they are aren't they??

a good friend of mine on here cleared it quite nicely for me:


FEELER:

subjective-
Proceeding from or taking place in a person's mind rather than the external world. (Based on feelings)

THINKER:

objective-
Of or having to do with a material object. Having actual existence or reality. Uninfluenced by emotions or personal prejudices. (Based on logic)

Originally Posted by MyLittleBlackHeart

a good friend of mine on here cleared it quite nicely for me:


FEELER:

subjective-
Proceeding from or taking place in a person's mind rather than the external world. (Based on feelings)

THINKER:

objective-
Of or having to do with a material object. Having actual existence or reality. Uninfluenced by emotions or personal prejudices. (Based on logic)

This doesn't account for Ti or Fe.

hmmmmmmmm.........I will have to think on that.

So, based on that then........how do you think This doesn't account for Ti or Fe works?

It would still be subjective/objective however based on other circumstances????

Originally Posted by MyLittleBlackHeart

hmmmmmmmm.........I will have to think on that.

So, based on that then........how do you think This doesn't account for Ti or Fe works?

It would still be subjective/objective however based on other circumstances????

Well, based off of what I've read of Jung's descriptions of Ti and Fe, they do the opposite of what's implied by the explanation that you provided. Ti at it's root is subjective. It's an internal logical interpretation of the external world in relation to ones self. Fe is the creation of harmony in the environment. Rather than starting internally, it begins externally.