The difference between Ne and Ni

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  1. #1
    INFJ - The Protectors

    The difference between Ne and Ni

    What the hell is it??

    Seriously, can somebody please explain to me the differences between introverted and extroverted intuition? I'm fascinated.
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    INTJ - The Scientists

    Extraverted iNtuiting involves noticing hidden meanings and interpreting them, often entertaining a wealth of possible interpretations from just one idea or interpreting what someone’s behavior really means. It also involves seeing things “as if,” with various possible representations of reality. Using this process, we can juggle many different ideas, thoughts, beliefs, and meanings in our mind at once with the possibility that they are all true. This is like weaving themes and threads together. We don’t know the weave until a thought thread appears or is drawn out in the interaction of thoughts, often brought in from other contexts. Thus a strategy or concept often emerges from the here-and-now interactions, not appearing as a whole beforehand. Using this process we can really appreciate brainstorming and trust what emerges, enjoying imaginative play with scenarios and combining possibilities, using a kind of cross-contextual thinking. Extraverted iNtuiting also can involve catalyzing people and extemporaneously shaping situations, spreading an atmosphere of change through emergent leadership.
    Introverted iNtuiting involves synthesizing the seemingly paradoxical or contradictory, which takes understanding to a new level. Using this process, we can have moments when completely new, unimagined realizations come to us. A disengagement from interactions in the room occurs, followed by a sudden “Aha!” or “That’s it!” The sense of the future and the realizations that come from introverted iNtuiting have a sureness and an imperative quality that seem to demand action and help us stay focused on fulfilling our vision or dream of how things will be in the future. Using this process, we might rely on a focal device or symbolic action to predict, enlighten, or transform. We could find ourselves laying out how the future will unfold based on unseen trends and telling signs. This process can involve working out complex concepts or systems of thinking or conceiving of symbolic or novel ways to understand things that are universal. It can lead to creating transcendent experiences or solutions.
    Ne: Generating possibilities, leaping from one idea to the next with only the vaguest idea of how one got to that conclusion without a through tracing, thinking in a tree pattern- each idea spawning more

    Ni: Drawing conclusions, all the pieces coming together subconsciously to form a whole, going from pieces to the final form without all the middle steps

    One clever person on another forum stated this more concisely sort of like:

    Ne: AB... Balloon, floating, Chickadee, insane asylum, Z!
    Ni: ABC....Z
    Extroverted intuition (Ne) is an extroverted, irrational, and static information element. It is also called Ne, I, intuition of possibilities, or black intuition.

    Ne is generally associated with the ability to recognize possibilities, create new opportunities and new beginnings, recognize talent and natural propensities in others, reconcile differing perspectives and viewpoints, rapidly generate ideas, and be led by one's intellectual curiosity and stimulate curiosity in others.

    Types that value Ne prefer to try out an opportunity rather than consider all possible ways in which it could not work out. They pick a few options and stick with them, in contrast to introverted intuition (Ni) types who pick one option and continue to doubt that option.

    They enjoy discussing unusual insights into the nature of the world and crazy out-there ideas, like space elevators.
    Introverted intuition (Ni) is an introverted, irrational, and dynamic information element. It is also called Ni, T, temporal intuition, or white intuition.

    Ni is generally associated with the ability to recognize the unfolding of processes over time (how one event leads to another), have visions of the past and future, develop mental imagery, and see intangible hints of relationships between processes or objects.

    Types that value Ni always like to have in mind a specific plan for how their life will develop in the future. Thus they have little time for the concept of "living for the moment" or "making the best of the present". They generally engage in pure leisure activities only for short periods of time, and even then their leisure activities generally involve a psychologically demanding or competitive aspect.


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    ENTP - The Visionaries


    In short, Ni is about integrating numerous different (and often seemingly contradictory) interpretations into one total interpretation that escapes the confines of the unconscious assumptions made by each one on its own. It's about changing one's personal interpretation of meaning and significance in order to view an idea from many different conceptual standpoints.

    Ni is convergent, because it takes many different ideas and looks for that which no single one of them can accomplish on its own--they all come together into one greater total perspective. Ni starts with a goal or problem in mind and then works backwards to determine the most effective way to unite all the different interpretations of that problem into the most effective plan of action.


    Ne is about inferring connections between unrelated contexts to predict the next part of a larger pattern that hasn't yet been discovered. It's about leaping into the unknown solely for the purpose of potentially discovering some new combination of interesting, novel or fascinating ideas, actions or patterns.

    Ne is different from Ni because it doesn't start with a particular goal or purpose in mind--it's focused on taking in the largest quantity of new information that we can, because the more random new contexts we have access to the more likely it is we'll discover something interesting that will strike others as novel or unusual. In this way Ne is divergent, because rather than attempt to integrate many existing interpretations into the most useful course of action, it attempts to suggest as many different new options as possible by leaving no stone unturned in its search for new patterns of possibilities for change.

    Ne might see the next 6 months worth of steps required for 20 different options at once (quantity/breadth), while Ni chooses one of those options at a time and intuits the next 10 years worth of steps down that single path (quality/depth.) They can work well together because Ne can generate a lot of new options very quickly, while Ni is better at determining which of those options will work best and why.
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    INFP - The Idealists

    I kinda feel like Ne is sorta like collecting new colors from the outside world unconsciously...(not literally colors just using that as an example) the more colors you collect the more colors you can create yourself, and it's energizing to collect and create them. Don't know much about Ni since I don't use it...
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  5. #5
    INFJ - The Protectors

    Ne exhales a variety of possiblities from one idea, Ni inhales all ideas and unites them into one principle or pattern.

    Ni is convergent, Ne is divergent.

    Ni is fusion, Ne is fission.

    Ne thinks outside the box, Ni thinks about the box.

    EDIT: Here's a very helpful link if you would like some more reading about the difference.
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    INFP - The Idealists

    Ni knows things that it can't explain
    Ne doesn't know anything for sure but it's pretty good at explaining exactly what it doesn't know.

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    INTP - The Thinkers

    The simplest way for me to understand it is:
    Ne - Uses intuition to process information from the outside world, which is then analyzed and refined into a theory using introverted decision-making function (Ti/Fi)
    Ni - Generates ideas or "visions" that are already fully-formed, that the extroverted decision-making functions (Te/Fe) then attempt to make the outside world look like.

    So in essence,
    Ne types = Drawing from the outside world to shape their inside world
    Ni types = Drawing from their inside world to shape the outside world
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    ENTP - The Visionaries

    Ne sees what could be, Ni sees what should be.

    Ne makes connections with novel novel. Ni makes connections in information thats already there.
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  9. #9
    INTP - The Thinkers

    Quote Originally Posted by SubterraneanHomesickAlien View Post
    The simplest way for me to understand it is:
    Ne - Uses intuition to process information from the outside world, which is then analyzed and refined into a theory using introverted decision-making function (Ti/Fi)
    Ni - Generates ideas or "visions" that are already fully-formed, that the extroverted decision-making functions (Te/Fe) then attempt to make the outside world look like.
    Great way of putting it. I've called those visions "templates", and they can also be used to guage how a situation will turn out. Hence, Ni often being associated with the future.

  10. #10
    Unknown Personality

    Quote Originally Posted by SubterraneanHomesickAlien View Post
    The simplest way for me to understand it is:
    Ne - Uses intuition to process information from the outside world, which is then analyzed and refined into a theory using introverted decision-making function (Ti/Fi)
    Ni - Generates ideas or "visions" that are already fully-formed, that the extroverted decision-making functions (Te/Fe) then attempt to make the outside world look like.

    So in essence,
    Ne types = Drawing from the outside world to shape their inside world
    Ni types = Drawing from their inside world to shape the outside world
    Thanks. Now I know that I definitely use more Ne than Ni. :)


 

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