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This is a discussion on Help with understanding Ni versus Ne within the Cognitive Functions forums, part of the Personality Type Forums category; Originally Posted by Clinton This. Ne, for me, is seeing a web of connections as the bigger picture. I'll often ...

  1. #11
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clinton View Post
    This.

    Ne, for me, is seeing a web of connections as the bigger picture. I'll often just focus on the one the Ni user and I have in common. It would be more mentally stimulating for me if the Ni user would indulge my desire to extrapolate further, but I can usually follow their "efficient" thought process without feeling off or unsettled.
    Yeah, l had this with an INTJ.

    l will say that l don't think he could read me as well as l could read him...arrogantly, lol.
    But perhaps he just didn't want to, l think Ni can be blinding so while l'd just go his way he was perfectly content with that.

    l had other friends l could indulge in Ne with, l did think it was kind of a bummer that l had to keep that part of myself basically hidden but l got over it lol.
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  2. #12
    ENFP - The Inspirers

    I think Ne vs Ni is like Fe vs Fi.

    Fe doesn't want to think deeply about feelings, surface level is the best level because there's no reason to go into that much depth about feelings. So Fe just moves from one relationship to another to another to another... Fe doms are really gregarious; they navigate social relationships with ease. Like my ESFJ friend can date up to 5 guys simultaneously... FML.

    This is the impression I get with Ne, it likes to (what I call) "puddle jump"... so metaphorically speaking the Ne user jumps from puddle to puddle tra la la la la having fun omg MOAR puddles lol. Puddles being ideas... And usually the ideas being explored (or puddles being jumped) are the most interesting ones, doing tonnes in like seconds.

    But with Ni, I don't necessarily want to "puddle jump"; I scan the underground looking for the deeper waters. When I see the deep water and dive straight in! I want to explore a few ideas not many....

    To be perfectly honest, my mind just does not work fast enough to keep up with Ne this is why - sometimes I'm jealous actually, I think it must be awesome to be able to think like that. My Ni cannot generate as many ideas as Ne can and I don't think it ever will be able to.

    So unfortunately unrestrained Ne is a complete bane for me; it gets me confused, dominates the conversation (have you noticed how young Ne-doms don't know how to shut up? But at the same time expect feedback for everything they say even if it doesn't really require it?) and by the time I get a chance to speak, I have nothing to say really... I haven't had enough time to jump all dem puddles.

    I think, some Ne users don't mind being able to just not jump every puddle with a Ni user - these are my favourite kinda people. Take it easy on me guys! I just don't think that way and I can't keep up, I'll try but I usually end up getting more silent as the conversation progresses and by that point I kinda lose interest in talking ><

    This is possibly what is off; probably the Ni user just doesn't really care anymore, you've said too much too fast and we've shut down - everything you say now is just inconsequential "noise".

    Kinda like how a Fi user just ignores the Fe users talks about their "shallow" feelings because they find them "fake".
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  3. #13
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clinton View Post
    This.

    Ne, for me, is seeing a web of connections as the bigger picture. I'll often just focus on the one the Ni user and I have in common. It would be more mentally stimulating for me if the Ni user would indulge my desire to extrapolate further, but I can usually follow their "efficient" thought process without feeling off or unsettled.
    I'm wondering if that can't be attributed to Ne being an aux, not a dom for you? How do your interactions with ENTJ's (your shadow users) go in terms of "going in different directions"?

    (The feeling of unsettlement is only there because I'm hypersensitive, it doesn't mean a Ne user will necessarily feel unsettled interacting with Ni)

    Also seeing a web of connections as the bigger picture is what intuition does, Ni and Ne both. I'm trying to figure out where and how the processes differ in their approach.
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  4. #14
    ISTJ - The Duty Fulfillers


    I have recently found that Ne as a "shooting off from multiple points" and Ni as "Trying to find a singular definition of something" to be of the work of people who don't seem to understand things honestly. Considering that these don't sound particularly truly INTROVERTED and EXTROVERTED, which I consider to be extremely important when truly differentiating between the two. I would in fact imagine the the opposite would happen, such as a Ne type who instantly realizes all of the possibilities, and goes after the best result possible to affect reality with. Such as knowing which type of opportunities to exploit to one's advantage basically, to know which "path amongst paths" is the most reliable in an instant.

    An Introverted Intuition type would be different. The person who uses all of these possibilities to not affect reality, but to stimulate their own inner world. They will ignore possibilities that don't stimulate their inner world, if they have to. Their vision is constantly changing to their own whims, with only Thinking and Feeling grounding them slightly to reality. To translate these gut feelings into something more palatable for others to understand, which some might not even desire to do so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JungleDisco View Post
    I think Ne vs Ni is like Fe vs Fi.

    Fe doesn't want to think deeply about feelings, surface level is the best level because there's no reason to go into that much depth about feelings. So Fe just moves from one relationship to another to another to another... Fe doms are really gregarious; they navigate social relationships with ease. Like my ESFJ friend can date up to 5 guys simultaneously... FML.

    This is the impression I get with Ne, it likes to (what I call) "puddle jump"... so metaphorically speaking the Ne user jumps from puddle to puddle tra la la la la having fun omg MOAR puddles lol. Puddles being ideas... And usually the ideas being explored (or puddles being jumped) are the most interesting ones, doing tonnes in like seconds.

    But with Ni, I don't necessarily want to "puddle jump"; I scan the underground looking for the deeper waters. When I see the deep water and dive straight in! I want to explore a few ideas not many....

    To be perfectly honest, my mind just does not work fast enough to keep up with Ne - sometimes I'm jealous actually, I think it must be awesome to be able to think like that. My cannot generate as many ideas as Ne can and I don't think it ever will be able to.

    So unfortunately unrestrained Ne is a complete bane for me; it gets me confused, dominates the conversation (have you noticed how young Ne-doms don't know how to shut up? But at the same time expect feedback for everything they say even if it doesn't really require it?) and by the time I get a chance to speak, I have nothing to say really... I haven't had enough time to jump all dem puddles.

    I think, some Ne users don't mind being able to just not jump every puddle with a Ni user - these are my favourite kinda people. Take it easy on me guys! I just don't think that way and I can't keep up, I'll try but I usually end up getting more silent as the conversation progresses and by that point I kinda lose interest in talking ><

    This is possibly what is off; probably the Ni user just doesn't really care anymore, you've said too much too fast and we've shut down - everything you say now is just inconsequential "noise".

    Kinda like how a Fi user just ignores the Fe users talks about their "shallow" feelings because they find them "fake".
    This was a hilarious read, thank you x)

    I wouldn't be too quick to dub any function as shallower than another, though...

  6. #16
    ENFP - The Inspirers

    Quote Originally Posted by Hurricane View Post
    This was a hilarious read, thank you x)

    I wouldn't be too quick to dub any function as shallower than another, though...
    I didn't call it shallower? I just said it likes to explore more ideas ie jump moar puddles.

    Sorry if it came across that way! That wasn't what I meant at all!

    edit: oh you meant Fe? Yeah trust me I know it isn't fake but some Fi users just aren't as convinced because they have all these "deep" wonderful unique feelings that I just will never be able to experience... cos tbh, I don't want to. Lol. But don't tell them that, it's easier for everyone if they continue to believe Fi makes them a special snowflake.

  7. #17
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    Quote Originally Posted by JungleDisco View Post
    I didn't call it shallower? I just said it likes to explore more ideas ie jump moar puddles.

    Sorry if it came across that way! That wasn't what I meant at all!
    Oh no don't worry I didn't take it as criticism. When you compared it to Fe you said something about not caring for looking into depth, I just meant people have different notions of what depth means

    (Exhaustion from the extravert=shallow bias, nothing to do with your post haha, sorry)

    Edit: okay so I totally posted this before I saw your edit confirming what I'm saying x)
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  8. #18
    ENFP - The Inspirers

    Quote Originally Posted by Hurricane View Post
    Oh no don't worry I didn't take it as criticism. When you compared it to Fe you said something about not caring for looking into depth, I just meant people have different notions of what depth means

    (Exhaustion from the extravert=shallow bias, nothing to do with your post haha, sorry)

    Edit: okay so I totally posted this before I saw your edit confirming what I'm saying x)
    I think depth is dependant on the individual user to be honest and how much time people have too lol.

  9. #19
    INTP - The Thinkers

    Quote Originally Posted by Hurricane View Post
    @Clinton yes, intuition does shape shift according to the judging function it works with of course.
    Would you care to describe how you experience it? I have to say I have trouble grasping how it must be to have your perceiving function as an aux. I'm trying to capture what is purely essential to Ne here, beyond all the thinking/feeling bias so it would be interesting to have your input on your experience of Ne, perhaps I've missed something, this was all very subjective since I'm speaking from a Ne dom perspective.

    Your description of Ni seemed fine to me, but I don't see my Ne behaving in a maze of ideas like you described in your analogy. The way you described your use of Ne seemed more like you wander around discovering new things along the way, but ultimately those new ideas lead to a lot of dead ends. I just got the impression your Ne doesnt have much holding it back (or giving it direction). Ne for me CAN be like that at times, but usually Ti dom will keep it under control. I would go as far as saying Ti gives Ne the quality of making those different connections within the mind almost as innately as a Ni user seem to have the reasoning done in their mind to simplify things down to a goal.

    Am I making any sense?

  10. #20
    INTP - The Thinkers

    Quote Originally Posted by Hurricane View Post
    I'm wondering if that can't be attributed to Ne being an aux, not a dom for you? How do your interactions with ENTJ's (your shadow users) go in terms of "going in different directions"?
    Im not really sure if I know any ENTJs, I'll have to give this more thought.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hurricane View Post
    (The feeling of unsettlement is only there because I'm hypersensitive, it doesn't mean a Ne user will necessarily feel unsettled interacting with Ni)
    Could that be Fi? Ti validates the connections I draw. I wonder if that's just an Fi Ti difference.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hurricane View Post
    Also seeing a web of connections as the bigger picture is what intuition does, Ni and Ne both. I'm trying to figure out where and how the processes differ in their approach.
    Possibly. I just imagine Ni as ignoring what they deem irrelevant to simplify things towards their goal. My goal is to understand a concept or thing from all angles and so I would argue all connections must be relevant. Maybe our goals are different.
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